3* revamps - recapping the good, the bad, and the ugly

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  • 3* revamps - recapping the good, the bad, and the ugly

    We've had a lot of the old 3* units come with revamps over the last few months. I'd like to get community feedback on how some of them have gone over.

    The good
    The Last Inquisitor. Good. Very good. Paired with the new Inquisitor Ameridan, TLI is vying against Fen as the single best Elf in the game now. When paired with the later released Lady Seeker Cass, this is, imo, the best setup in the game currently. Or at the very least right there among them.
    Necro Dorian. 'nuff said.

    The bad
    Solas and Apostate Solas. These two were lucky to hold a place on the bench. The revamps were decent, solid, at best. Part of the problem is there is no squad that I can find a place to put them in. Both feature a heavy leaning towards blue faction, Elves, and Spirits. The pairing with Demons, while fitting with lore, is pointless from a gameplay perspective as they would be a support unit at best. The biggest problem lies in the groups they buff. Blue, Elves, Spirits - there is simply no Elven or Spirit setup where these two are good enough to knock any other unit out of my existing lineups. I can see value under certain event bonuses - or for players who are lacking certain units; but otherwsie these two are still bench warmers, albiet slightly nicer looking ones.

    The ugly
    Gereon. His revamp alongside Felix and the other Tev was decent - but still puts them nowhere close to META or even useable outside a Tev event. And in those Tev events, the Dorians reign supreme.
    Vivienne. Solid stats and attack mechanic. Her aura can be useful at times (drop her in an Orlesian-based Inq setup with GoM) - but in most cases she suffers the same fate as the Solas twins. There are always better options.
    Hissrad. His revamp looked good on the surface, and for a long time I tried really hard to pair him in a power-gaining red warrior setup with Gurn (Hissrad, Qun Defender, Eva, Spirit Champ, Battlemasters, etc.). But in all those cases there are better setups. I barely see him getting used now, even in Qun events.

    So who needs the next 3* revamps the most desperately? My top picks, in order:
    The Elder One. Without a doubt he is one of the frailest and most irrelevant 3*s in the game. He encompasses 2 groups that are primary antagonists in the DA games, and yet he (and both groups entirely for that matter) are just not good. His Blighted and RL cronies deserve a serious return to relevance, starting with him. Given his story, and place in the history of Thedas and the DA games - he should absolutely stand as one of the single best units in the game.
    Lambert Van Reeves. He doesn't buff anyone. He is simply a gaining defender who almost never gets to use his gain as he has no curse protect, and as a defender, many times never lives to see his turn.
    Advisor Cullen/Iron Bull. This is a tie, and a tough one. Both are still very good on paper, and very dangerous in the right setup, under the right event. But for a 3* - in my eyes, they should be capable of pushing a squad into PG caliber competitveness, and neither of these two do that.
    The original, early 3* dragons. Sandy, FF, NH, Vinny, Mistral, QotBM, High Dragon, Leo, Snowy. They just aren't up to par, not even close, when compared to the "second generation" of 3* dragons.


    What's everyone else's thoughts on these? Didn't I overlook anything?

    Edit to add: I know I slipped a couple non 3*s into the dragon list, but hey, it's my list!
    Last edited by xXx_nog_xXx; 08-27-2017, 06:53 AM.
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    I don't believe HD and Queen of the Black Marsh will be made 3☆s (even though it would be super nice).

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    • #3
      Originally posted by xXx_nog_xXx View Post

      Edit to add: I know I slipped a couple non 3*s into the dragon list, but hey, it's my list!
      Snowy and Leo are also not dragons. They are Wyverns but like you said it's your list.

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      • #4
        The Elder one and Lambert really need some love. Agree about Lambert no curse protection or any aura at all.
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        • #5
          I am not agreeing on the apostate alone since it is certainly very effective the power gain
          with my team spirit was able to defeat the new xenon hero alongside MD and VV

          In the other if I agree but before that I would prefer to keep the balance of the groups and q with heroes like Cassandra or Xenon give too much advantage to those who use them in a single group

          And also q updated to atashi and q now because the mayoriq has resistance to curse is no longer very useful despite having been one of the best dragons before

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          • #6
            On the same theme as revamps, just a quick question...

            It's been a while since we had a whole faction revamp - are you able to provide any hints as to whether we can expect either the Templars, the Blighted, the older Orlesians or the older 3* Dragons which are for many players collecting dust to be revamped in say the next 3 months?

            Whilst I always welcome any hero update, of late we had just 2 Solas done in the last month and the pace of revamps has slowed noticeably.
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            • #7
              A big issue is new gets a lot of the good looks- how many 2 or 3 star heroes are from origins or awakenings? We also see this issue with how irrelevant darkspawn are. Plenty of legendaries, few relevant or 2-3 stars. And why do elves have so many 3 stars... ? Oghren was in a lot but still no better version. Time to release some early heroes with special armour sets. How is Giselle even a legendary? So yeah, your point is well made and part of a larger issue on balance and relevancy.

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              • #8
                I agree with most of these but I think the Solas revamp has been great, personally. At first I thought his health and power were still a bit lacking, but he heals and powergains a lot, and can be very dangerous as the last man standing if his power gain goes unchecked.

                Where he lacks a difinitive home, he makes up for it in versatility. Many of he heroes that get his stacking bonus are new powerful toons themselves. (Eva, SC, IA, TLI)

                As far as IB and Hissrad, I think their mechanics are great, especially Hissrad's revamp (less likely to attack LC), but they just need Health. I would think these two would have some of the highest health pools in the game being slow round beastly warriors, but they have less than a BM Marion Hawke. More health would be an easy fix in my eyes.
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                • #9
                  Thanks everyone for thiuts so glfar, I love stimulating discussion.

                  I'm going to shift purpose on the thread in a few posts so we can talk about group revamps as a whole. What's been done so far, what could be done in our opinions , etc. keep up the thread oh master strategists! ?
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                  • #10
                    I I'll go first. Three groups trying so hard to crack in to the meta but just falling short. JoH and Demons and Wardens.

                    Give Rev Gurd a similar mechanic to LSC. . You'll instantly see both groups skyrocket. Give Hakk Def about another 10-15 k health. Give Gurd curse resist for Avvar 35%, extra 15 for JoH. Add about12k health to Sigrid and Auger. Give 2* Gurd and Movranb15!power curse to outlaws. Give Hakk archer stealth o her column attack, but not on subsequent al.

                    Give the a Warden defenders Stroud WCD, GWG, at leatv15-20k more heal and let them heal allies on hut. Increase Janekas power and let her hit roe instead, in quick round. Chance of quick round stun on both h/.o is something to fear. Duncan is so similar to Bianca, give him stealth.

                    Give Nightmare curse power immunity, like in a Gauntlet. Add Kitty's buff to h and power, alongside bonus DMG.
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                    • #11
                      Make uldreld immune to curse power not just drain
                      Add harvester avstackingvbounus, 30%?_h/pvtovdemons, blood mages, and Circle. Stacking
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                      • #12
                        Sorry all, phat ginger phone typing lol
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                        • #13
                          all dragons pre-hivernal need some love. the blue faction one, whose name i can't even remember, in particular, as she has the best model and only gives a very weak boost to blue faction.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Phil Robb View Post
                            A big issue is new gets a lot of the good looks- how many 2 or 3 star heroes are from origins or awakenings? We also see this issue with how irrelevant darkspawn are. Plenty of legendaries, few relevant or 2-3 stars. And why do elves have so many 3 stars... ? Oghren was in a lot but still no better version. Time to release some early heroes with special armour sets. How is Giselle even a legendary? So yeah, your point is well made and part of a larger issue on balance and relevancy.
                            It's the unfortunate way of things. I would really like to see more heroes from the first two games (Origins and its DLCs and Dragon Age 2 and its DLCs); but a good deal of HoDAs starting heroes were from those and are stuck as rarities epic and below. If not that, they are very old legendary heroes that aren't up to date.

                            Furthermore, as inquisition is the newest and largest game, many heroes that are new come from there.

                            This week; however, saw the addition of two new heroes:

                            Xenon the Antiquarian, who had his debut in Dragon Age 2, and the invisible nug from inquisition.

                            So while they're still taking some from inquisition, they are also taking some from previous games.

                            On my part, i would like to see revamps and updates to older heroes; i made a poll about that not long ago.

                            For my part, i agree with xXx_nog_xXx that Uldred and Harvester Orsino need some love, i would include Danarius, as well as a good deal of the older tevinters.

                            Thank you xXx_nog_xXx for making this thread.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bjorn Ragnarok View Post
                              I agree with most of these but I think the Solas revamp has been great, personally. At first I thought his health and power were still a bit lacking, but he heals and powergains a lot, and can be very dangerous as the last man standing if his power gain goes unchecked.

                              Where he lacks a difinitive home, he makes up for it in versatility. Many of he heroes that get his stacking bonus are new powerful toons themselves. (Eva, SC, IA, TLI)

                              As far as IB and Hissrad, I think their mechanics are great, especially Hissrad's revamp (less likely to attack LC), but they just need Health. I would think these two would have some of the highest health pools in the game being slow round beastly warriors, but they have less than a BM Marion Hawke. More health would be an easy fix in my eyes.
                              I agree with this. As someone who doesn't have the full catalog of heroes ApSol has fit in great with my elf team. I understand that 3*s should be among the most powerful heroes in the game, but it's really not possible for every 3* to be meta.
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