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    All the way back during the days leading up to the LC revamp, I remember hearing something about there being a potential reworking of epics (and rares?) to thin out the very obvious rift between epics and legendaries, especially considering power creep and recent revamps (this may have been more specifically just the LCs of those rarities, I'm not sure). Since the "legacy overhaul" is being done a few heroes at a time over many weeks, I was wondering if there might be any more news on this, if it's in the works, or at least on the agenda for the future?

    I play occasionally on an alternate guest account on one of my devices, but I have to rely entirely on my 7 legendaries (4 of which are the Christmas legs) to really make any progress on the game. There are some really cool epics out there, and even though I know it makes no sense to bring them up to par with legendaries, it would be really nice for them to be improved at least a little for the sake of new F2P players having a less difficult time getting into PVP.
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    They could revamp some of the epics, but I'm not sure how useful it would make them if we're not going to make them on par with even some of the worst legs. It would make them more fun to use, but they'd still get replaced pretty quickly as a player's leg count grows (as I think it should).

    Instead of a full-on revamp, I think it would be nice to see more Go for the Gold and/or Epic buffed events, which would certainly help new players reach higher on the ladder/leaderboard. For these, an epic revamp would definitely be nice so you don't just see 4x goat, 4x Despair Demon, 4x athenril, etc. :P

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Flerm View Post
      They could revamp some of the epics, but I'm not sure how useful it would make them if we're not going to make them on par with even some of the worst legs. It would make them more fun to use, but they'd still get replaced pretty quickly as a player's leg count grows (as I think it should).

      Instead of a full-on revamp, I think it would be nice to see more Go for the Gold and/or Epic buffed events, which would certainly help new players reach higher on the ladder/leaderboard. For these, an epic revamp would definitely be nice so you don't just see 4x goat, 4x Despair Demon, 4x athenril, etc. :P
      That's what I meant. A number of epics are already better than some of the worst legs (Templar Samson, Red Templar Archer, First Enchanter Orsino, Grey Warden Alistair, and Chantry Warrior stand out to me) so all I'm really thinking about is a stat boost. I think priority needs to go to setting a lowest common denominator. I don't believe any epic hero should have less than 2000 max power and 5000 max health before auras, and 3000/10000 for LCs (I think we should have a 3000/6000 LCD for 1* leg for the sake of Briala and Assflo as well, plus poor old Alexius needs some serious love). I know there's a lot more to a hero than just their stats, and more goes into determining them than just their rarity. Epics don't need to be permanently the most useful, as there should always be multiple legendaries that do the same job better, but there are some epics that nobody will ever use at all (Fluffy, Spike, Aveline, etc.) unless the are literally your only epics. I don't think an epic rebalance would be a very big undertaking at all, just some stat adjustments here and there plus maybe some more auras and resistances.

      Also, more epic buffed events would be totally awesome. Like I said before, there are a lot of really cool epics out there and I want to use them more.
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      • #4
        i have quick and dirty solution for "Epic Problem": it is make all epic large creatures to give away 100/100 aura to epic heroes EXEPT GOATS AND NUGS.

        Since there can be only one LC at at time this hardly could be exploitable by a duping.

        But its really dirty way

        So i have more extreme solution that will make job done: it is to make all lower rarity heroes have same power and health stats as 1* legendaries. This will make them find more places in leg strategy - like Beresaad Warrior will start to be usefull with Quns etc.

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        • #5
          Topic moved the Hero/Meta Balance.

          I still have a soft spot for epics, a hold over from the early HoDA days when epics were a still valued part of the team, and as a result I have at least one of every hero. The vast majority however never get used, and I would certainly like to see all them all brought up to at least the value of Red Templar Archer, as well as more real opportunities to use them.

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          • #6
            I think this is a good idea. I don't know how much work it would take, but, if it were easy, and didn't pull too much time away from the dev's other projects, I would be in favor. However, the epic events, seem to be ruled by 4x squads. I'm hopeful that CG can find a way to handicap dupe squads in PvE events. I have started keeping a max of 2x dupe, with just a few exceptions. But I don't want to hijack this thread with a dupe discussion.

            Rebalancing epics would be cool, so long as it doesn't significantly hold up what, imo, are more important developments. And that's my two cents! lol.

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            • #7
              Or maybe adding more epic wildcard to specific epics (and rares, I'd love to see a demon event with a great wildcard bonus to dark Revenant) ... It would be enough to make them worth of tiering/levelling.

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              • #8
                I'd rather want to see Epics to see more utility in squads, instead of over-buffing them as a single hero in mind. Amping up resistance auras and health/attack buffs across all Epics would be nice, no?

                Base Epics (Ogren, simply Ogren, for example) could be updated as a unit with similar but lesser strength (a smaller power gain and heal mechanic). The best example for this are the Templar and Red Lyrium versions of Samson.

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                • #9
                  Giving health/power/resist auras to non large creatures will only result in more (s)quads of them - like goats and choco nug. Not to mention it will take damn lot ammount of time to balance them out

                  CG barely can handle balancing legendaries.

                  For the record: having all rarities below 1* useless is the reason we cant have even glympse of balace in game. Toons of certain type (i.e. normal round column hitter) have no 'base" stats, their power and health, their auras just drawn random.

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                  • #10
                    I love epics. Love the red base and the looks of many of them.
                    Maybe CG could create a map only for epics that you could play everyday, winning rare wisps and up, with different energy. I think what we all players want is more HoDA playtime.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DvO View Post
                      I love epics. Love the red base and the looks of many of them.
                      Maybe CG could create a map only for epics that you could play everyday, winning rare wisps and up, with different energy. I think what we all players want is more HoDA playtime.
                      ***double like... more HODA time. =P
                      i do love epics too.
                      ... and then there's PALA (you know.. that lil warrior dwarf).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DvO View Post
                        I love epics. Love the red base and the looks of many of them.
                        Maybe CG could create a map only for epics that you could play everyday, winning rare wisps and up, with different energy. I think what we all players want is more HoDA playtime.
                        Perhaps a Nexus event that is incredibly hard and gives a monumental bonus to epics, so you're forced to use them?
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                        • #13
                          Wold be nice to have someone from CG to comment Hero/Meta Balance forum threads. So we at least know they actually read this. At least sometimes

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Chef des Loups View Post
                            Wold be nice to have someone from CG to comment Hero/Meta Balance forum threads. So we at least know they actually read this. At least sometimes
                            I'm pretty sure that they do But I think that sometimes they prefer to simply read our conversations and take note rather than jump in, which can sometimes turn into an unofficial Q&A session for questions that they can't yet answer.

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                            • #15
                              So building off this topic, which epic heroes do you think are most deserving of an upgrade, were the developers considering one? Obviously ignoring the top-tier heroes for the moment (FEO, RTA, goats), are there any characters that you think deserve more utility? And how would you like to see them boosted?

                              Personally, I think that LotF is worthy. I would give her a red/blue base and add her to the creatures group (so she benefits from their auras and her own) and give her medium power drain in addition to her small stun chance. And a small stat boost as well, mainly to health, as I think she should be more support unit than attacker.
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