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    Percentages: tested

    There are a number of guessed at percentages that govern gameplay. Here are tested values:

    1) Crit %:
    From FR:
    20150222 25% 2x rate -> 34% tested crit rate

    From BR:
    20150219 14% 2x rate -> 32.6% tested crit rate
    20150219 24% 2x rate -> 61.1% tested crit rate
    20150219 25% 2x rate -> 62.1% tested crit rate

    Approximate formula:
    BR actual crit %=~2 x C x (1 + C), C=crit % expressed as .24 etc.

    2) LC Taunt:
    20150220 Likelihood of single hitter hitting LC with no taunt:43.0%
    20150220 Likelihood of single hitter hitting LC with regular taunt: 59.1%
    20150220 Likelihood of single hitter hitting LC with heavy taunt: 67.9%
    #28 in this thread calls out a very well fitting algorithm

    3) Heavy Dodge/Taunt:
    FR: WCD (heavy dodge), Slave Statue (heavy taunt) BR: empty LC: Snug (heavy taunt)
    20150220 Likelihood of single hitter hitting WCD: 2.9%
    20150220 Likelihood of single hitter hitting SS: 36.5%
    20150220 Likelihood of single hitter hitting Snug: 60.6%
    #28 in this thread calls out a very well fitting algorithm

    4) Thornton chance for 2nd attack:
    20150224 From BR, likelihood of 2nd attack = 57% tested
    20150224 From FR: likelihood of 2nd attack = 15% extrapolated

    5) Grey Warden bonus damage vs. Blighted:
    20150301 A number of Grey Wardens say that they get bonus damage vs. Blighted, but now how much damage. Generally the damage is 25%, unless otherwise specified. n.b. NH gets no bonus

    6) Fortification:
    20150315 Tested for T4 Leg (1*, 2*), Epic and Rare toons only: numbers are % of the T4 Gallery value for both Power and Health
    unforted: 30.77%
    4 T1 Epics: 54.1%
    4 T4 Epics: 60.2%
    4 T1 Legs: 73.4%
    5 T1 Legs: 84.1%
    5 T2 Legs: 88.3%
    5 T3 Legs: 93.9%
    5 T4 Legs: 100% (by definition except for Gallery rounding errors)

    7) Recruit Pack faction drop rates:
    20150315 Red:42.50%, Black:22.12%, White: 23.88%, Blue: 11.03%, LC:0.47%
    This results in 24 being the optimal pull size for consumption when exclusively using the "New" tab.

    8) "Drains a lot" drain:
    20150315 Duke Prosper drains for 60% of his displayed power.
    20150321 Crow Zevran drains for 60% of his displayed power.

    9) Bloodmage Power gain:
    Complex topic. Covered here:
    http://forums.capitalgames.com/showt...chanics-tested

    10) non-Bloodmage Power gain:
    Flemeth: 2.3x power gain for each ally death
    20150315 Sister Nightingale: after attacking, gains 75% of displayed power
    20150119 Kolgrim: 3x power for each enemy death
    20150331 Eirik:2.5x power for each enemy death
    20150331 Cultist Overseer: ~2x power for each enemy death (see testing notes)
    20150331 Cultist Assassin/Cultist Reaver: 2x power for each enemy death
    20150331 Magister Pavus: 20% of ally's power on MP death
    20150419 Noble Spirit of Hope: 25% of NSoH power on hit, 20% of ally's power on NSoH death
    20150218 Solas' power gain is 1.5x
    20150427 Chasind General power gain is 1.5x on any death in addition to 1.5x each time CG attacks.

    We need more things tested, and volunteers are always welcome as well as other testing suggestions.

    Potential Future Tests:
    Heavy/Normal Taunt on non-LC
    Row/Column hitters and Taunt/Dodge
    Group targeting
    Likelihood of double hit
    Stun percentages (We think we know, but do we really? Will it be a surprise like that of crits?)
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    Testing:
    1) Crit%:
    FR: Post #8 in this thread. Thanks to JSA
    BR:
    http://forums.capitalgames.com/showt...light=critical

    2) LC Taunt:
    Tests done on various Daily Nexus events. No opponent toons had group targeting. No toons on my squads had taunt/dodge other than at times the LC. Considered only single hitter attacks that occurred when the FR slots of my squad were filled.

    FR: 2 Redwater Raider BR: 2 Carta Thug LC: GO(no taunt) 55/128=43.0% hit GO
    FR: 2 Devouring Corpse BR: Skeleton Archer, Hurlock Bolter LC: PD(regular taunt) 75/127=59.1%
    FR: 2 Werewolf BR: 2 Dalish Hunter LC: Snug(heavy taunt) 76/112=67.9% hit Snug

    Targeting may change depending on empty slots
    46/102=45.1% hit GO throughout the entire fight which included times when toons had died in my slots. More testing would need to be done to confirm this as the 45.1% includes hits when the FR was full.

    3) Heavy Dodge/Taunt:
    FR: WCD (heavy dodge), Slave Statue (heavy taunt) BR: empty LC: Snug (heavy taunt)
    3/104=2.9% hit WCD
    38/104=36.5% hit SS
    63/104=60.6% hit Snug

    Unrecorded observations are consistent with column hitters are behaving very similarly to single hitters around targeting.

    This shows the extreme power of heavy taunt on a non-LC toon in combatting column hitters. This thread outlines the counter.
    http://forums.capitalgames.com/showt...-the-Overlords

    4) Thornton chance for 2nd attack:
    From BR, likelihood of 2nd attack = 57% tested
    1 BR, 1 FR tested to 36% likelihood of 2nd attack.
    Assuming no interactions, 57-36=21. 36-21=15
    From FR: likelihood of 2nd attack = 15% extrapolated

    http://forums.capitalgames.com/showt...-Second-Attack

    5) Grey Warden bonus damage vs. Blighted:
    Test: KA (displayed power=3779) crits for 8502 vs. Blighted with 1 AD
    Crit damage=8502=2*3779*1.25*0.9
    GWA,GWG,WCD,KA,GWO,GWS tests show 25% bonus damage
    NH has no bonus (description doesn't mention bonus)
    VA has currently unexplainable results:
    http://forums.capitalgames.com/showt...s-bonuses-work

    6) Fortification:
    Tested with these T4 toons using fortification screen. Only KCC had .05% variance while the rest fit exactly: KeeperM, Dan, Kolgrim, VA, Flemeth, Merrill, EH, SG, Byron, GWG, KCC, BD, GotU, Uldred, Schmooples

    7) Recruit Pack faction drop rates:
    http://forums.capitalgames.com/showt...uit-Pack-pulls
    Post #72

    8) "Drains a lot" drain:
    20150315 DP drains for 60% of his displayed power.

    DP displayed power: 1525, Merrill displayed power: 4299
    Test 1:
    DP hits for 1755, Merrill crits for 6768=(4299-1525*.6)*2

    Test 2:
    DP crits for 3050, Merril crits for 6768=(4299-1525*.6)*2

    20150321 CZ drains for 60% of his displayed power.
    BR:CZ displayed power=693 FR:2GotU

    BR:Archie displayed power=42065, AD
    LC:GO
    CZ hits for 544 (irrelevant to drain)
    Archie crits for 66638 on GotU (20% DR).
    Archie crit= (Displayed Power - drain) x DR x 2=(42065-0.6x693)x0.8x2=66638.72
    *AD & GO's DR doesn't affect drain

    10) non-Bloodmage Power gain:
    Flemeth:
    http://forums.capitalgames.com/showt...-the-Overlords

    Sister Nightingale:
    After attacking, gains 75% of displayed power
    SN displayed power: 27347, SN crit round 2: 95714=1.75*27347*2

    Kolgrim:
    http://forums.capitalgames.com/showt...g-with-kolgrim
    Post #14

    Eirik:
    Eirik displayed power:3078, Crit damage with 3 deaths=96190
    2x(3078x2.5^3)=96187.50

    Cultist Overseer:
    CO displayed power:8054, Crit damage with 3 deaths (including an LC)=128864
    2x(8054x2^3)=128864
    *Things get odd due to a possible display bug or new bug. Power gain is ~2 for these cases
    Crit damage with 2 deaths & faction=57988, faction damage 14497
    2x(8054x2^2)=64432
    Crit damage with 4 deaths & faction=231955, faction damage 57989 (Yes an ODD numbered crit!)
    2x(8054x2^4)=257728

    Cultist Assassin:
    CA displayed power: 16165, Crit damage with 1 death=64660
    2x(16165x2^11)=64660

    Cultist Reaver:
    CR displayed power: 1520, Crit damage with 2 deaths=12160
    2x(1520x2^2)=12160

    MP: http://forums.capitalgames.com/showt...vus-Power-Gain
    NSOH: post #58 in this thread

    Solas: http://forums.capitalgames.com/showt...omb-Stats-gain

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    To those who prefer supported facts...this goes out to you!
    Last edited by MAM_HoDA; 04-29-2015, 06:46 PM.
    "Dan and his BloodMage buddies loved the sport of hunting for the rare goaten eggs. With each new egg, they increased their efforts and enthusiasm. Then Dan found the goat who laid the eggs. Dan soon had all the eggs and went forth to resume the sport he loved. But, the village was empty as his buddies could no longer find eggs nor the sport they loved. Dan threw down his eggs and left, realizing that while he did indeed love the eggs, he loved the sport and his buddies more. When other goats returned, there was only Smaug who yawned and went back to sleep..." With a start, Dan awoke from his nightmare and vowed to run from GOATS!
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    Interesting. So with the numbers you have here, there really is no relevance to pushing from 24% to 25% is there? These numbers sound right as I started testing out the chance for Thornton's double hit to take place. Being limited in time, I am simply doing a run of 100 battles for now to get a rough look at numbers. I have done so with running one in the front row and another in the back row. Since double hit seems to only happen when crit occurs, the back row hitter has had a greater chance in hitting twice than the front row hitter. I am near completing a 100 battle run with two Thornton's in the back row. The chance of double hit occurring obviously went up with the chance to crit increasing on both Thornton's. So far my numbers are showing, that with two Thornton's in the back row, chance of double hit occurring is approximately 60%. I was intrigued to test this because, compared to the Sera I have, Thornton's chance to hit again seemed to be occurring significantly more so. Now, I do not have Elite Harlequin to compare this with, as she has the same ability as well, but the numbers so far have helped me to feel his capability is better considering his low stats as a quick hitter.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Daniel Clare View Post
      Interesting. So with the numbers you have here, there really is no relevance to pushing from 24% to 25% is there? These numbers sound right as I started testing out the chance for Thornton's double hit to take place. Being limited in time, I am simply doing a run of 100 battles for now to get a rough look at numbers. I have done so with running one in the front row and another in the back row. Since double hit seems to only happen when crit occurs, the back row hitter has had a greater chance in hitting twice than the front row hitter. I am near completing a 100 battle run with two Thornton's in the back row. The chance of double hit occurring obviously went up with the chance to crit increasing on both Thornton's. So far my numbers are showing, that with two Thornton's in the back row, chance of double hit occurring is approximately 60%. I was intrigued to test this because, compared to the Sera I have, Thornton's chance to hit again seemed to be occurring significantly more so. Now, I do not have Elite Harlequin to compare this with, as she has the same ability as well, but the numbers so far have helped me to feel his capability is better considering his low stats as a quick hitter.
      This is good stuff.

      Pushing for 25%:
      You automatically get 25% when you open the 10th slot. But if you didn't want the last slot? We could do the cost/benefit analysis, but for a heavily used toon, that sits in the BR, the extra few CP will pay off + you get the fun feeling of having "finished" that toon-going for 26% is ridiculous, so 25% is the reasonable end goal.

      Double hit:
      I'll add this as a percentage to be tested. It'd be great if you published your findings, or I'll add them to the OP here. People speculate that the chance of double hit is 25%, but I've never seen any tested results. I skipped the double hit testing on EH as you have to play it in slow motion to catch them...perhaps on Saturday with wisps.
      Last edited by MAM_HoDA; 02-19-2015, 03:18 PM.
      "Dan and his BloodMage buddies loved the sport of hunting for the rare goaten eggs. With each new egg, they increased their efforts and enthusiasm. Then Dan found the goat who laid the eggs. Dan soon had all the eggs and went forth to resume the sport he loved. But, the village was empty as his buddies could no longer find eggs nor the sport they loved. Dan threw down his eggs and left, realizing that while he did indeed love the eggs, he loved the sport and his buddies more. When other goats returned, there was only Smaug who yawned and went back to sleep..." With a start, Dan awoke from his nightmare and vowed to run from GOATS!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by MAM_HoDA View Post
        This is good stuff.

        Pushing for 25%:
        You automatically get 25% when you open the 10th slot. But if you didn't want it? We could do the cost/benefit analysis, but for a heavily used toon, that sits in the BR, the extra few CP will pay off + you get the fun feeling of having "finished" that toon-going for 26% is ridiculous, so 25% is the reasonable end goal.

        Double hit:
        I'll add this as a percentage to be tested. It'd be great if you published your findings, or I'll add them to the OP here. People speculate that the chance of double hit is 25%, but I've never seen any tested results. I skipped the double hit testing on EH as you have to play it in slow motion to catch them...perhaps on Saturday with wisps.
        If not tonight, I should be able to post the limited findings I have by tomorrow.


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        • #5
          Added testing for regular taunt.
          Added testing for column hitter counter using heavy taunt in the non-LC toon. Spectacular results! Less than 3% of hit on the protected column!
          "Dan and his BloodMage buddies loved the sport of hunting for the rare goaten eggs. With each new egg, they increased their efforts and enthusiasm. Then Dan found the goat who laid the eggs. Dan soon had all the eggs and went forth to resume the sport he loved. But, the village was empty as his buddies could no longer find eggs nor the sport they loved. Dan threw down his eggs and left, realizing that while he did indeed love the eggs, he loved the sport and his buddies more. When other goats returned, there was only Smaug who yawned and went back to sleep..." With a start, Dan awoke from his nightmare and vowed to run from GOATS!
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            Welcome back MAM

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            • #7
              If there's a double in crit chance from 14 to 24... makes me wonder the difference if one invested and got 30% crit ? ;D
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              • #8
                MAM, I tested the FR crit rate. On a WF in wisp event I logged 100 hits from a FR WF. In sections of 20 there are the results:

                4/20
                6/20
                9/20
                4/20
                11/20

                Total: 34 crits out of 100...so 34% crit rate on a 25% FR WF. 100 is a decent number and no 20 test segment was less than 20% (4 / 20). Looks like crit rate might be hotter than expected in the FR as well.
                Last edited by JohnnySteel Alpha; 02-22-2015, 01:52 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JohnnySteel Alpha View Post
                  MAM, I tested the FR crit rate. On a WF in wisp event I logged 100 hits from a FR WF. In sections of 20 there are the results:

                  4/20
                  6/20
                  9/20
                  4/20
                  11/20

                  Total: 34 crits out of 100...so 34% crit rate on a 25% FR WF. 100% is a decent number and no 20 test segment was less than 20% (4 / 20). Looks like crit rate might be hotter than expected in the FR as well.
                  Thanks. I added your results to the OP summary and details sections.

                  It feels sort of like BR is 2x FR, but 25% really means more like 31-34%.

                  I guess we really just have to assume all crit all the time when evaluating battles.
                  "Dan and his BloodMage buddies loved the sport of hunting for the rare goaten eggs. With each new egg, they increased their efforts and enthusiasm. Then Dan found the goat who laid the eggs. Dan soon had all the eggs and went forth to resume the sport he loved. But, the village was empty as his buddies could no longer find eggs nor the sport they loved. Dan threw down his eggs and left, realizing that while he did indeed love the eggs, he loved the sport and his buddies more. When other goats returned, there was only Smaug who yawned and went back to sleep..." With a start, Dan awoke from his nightmare and vowed to run from GOATS!
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                    Your PM is full MAM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JohnnySteel Alpha View Post
                      Your PM is full MAM.
                      Guilds are certainly filling the PM boxes. I've done a purge.
                      "Dan and his BloodMage buddies loved the sport of hunting for the rare goaten eggs. With each new egg, they increased their efforts and enthusiasm. Then Dan found the goat who laid the eggs. Dan soon had all the eggs and went forth to resume the sport he loved. But, the village was empty as his buddies could no longer find eggs nor the sport they loved. Dan threw down his eggs and left, realizing that while he did indeed love the eggs, he loved the sport and his buddies more. When other goats returned, there was only Smaug who yawned and went back to sleep..." With a start, Dan awoke from his nightmare and vowed to run from GOATS!
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                      • #12
                        Added Thornton double hit stats thanks to Daniel Clare
                        "Dan and his BloodMage buddies loved the sport of hunting for the rare goaten eggs. With each new egg, they increased their efforts and enthusiasm. Then Dan found the goat who laid the eggs. Dan soon had all the eggs and went forth to resume the sport he loved. But, the village was empty as his buddies could no longer find eggs nor the sport they loved. Dan threw down his eggs and left, realizing that while he did indeed love the eggs, he loved the sport and his buddies more. When other goats returned, there was only Smaug who yawned and went back to sleep..." With a start, Dan awoke from his nightmare and vowed to run from GOATS!
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                        • #13
                          Thornton chance for second attack is really high.
                          No future for bloodmages if they face 4 Thornton out there
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                            Added Grey Warden bonus damage vs. Blighted as 25% for most GWs
                            "Dan and his BloodMage buddies loved the sport of hunting for the rare goaten eggs. With each new egg, they increased their efforts and enthusiasm. Then Dan found the goat who laid the eggs. Dan soon had all the eggs and went forth to resume the sport he loved. But, the village was empty as his buddies could no longer find eggs nor the sport they loved. Dan threw down his eggs and left, realizing that while he did indeed love the eggs, he loved the sport and his buddies more. When other goats returned, there was only Smaug who yawned and went back to sleep..." With a start, Dan awoke from his nightmare and vowed to run from GOATS!
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                              Thank you mam and Johnny for making my life eazier. U saved me alot of hours :-)

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