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  • MAM :
    How much does the fort helping when we have events whit 300%-800% bonuses ?

    Mam u are the math genius. Take as example Dan full fort and 0 fort in these events whit 400% healt and power boost. What is the diference.
    How much in % does the fort of dan help? and whit Va and other helpers beside him does he really need fort or not.

    I look at my 2 archies. 1 full epic fortet and the other only rare forted. In my eyes there is no diference (or very smal) when im playing.

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    • Originally posted by Amanda Svensson View Post
      MAM :
      How much does the fort helping when we have events whit 300%-800% bonuses ?

      Mam u are the math genius. Take as example Dan full fort and 0 fort in these events whit 400% healt and power boost. What is the diference.
      How much in % does the fort of dan help? and whit Va and other helpers beside him does he really need fort or not.

      I look at my 2 archies. 1 full epic fortet and the other only rare forted. In my eyes there is no diference (or very smal) when im playing.
      Your question is very good. For PvP, why bother forting? It comes up very often and in many ways. I thought we should have a comprehensive answer, so I started another thread. (This thread is so long that some people don't want to read it).

      http://forums.capitalgames.com/showt...alitative-look
      Last edited by MAM_HoDA; 02-05-2015, 10:16 AM.
      "Dan and his BloodMage buddies loved the sport of hunting for the rare goaten eggs. With each new egg, they increased their efforts and enthusiasm. Then Dan found the goat who laid the eggs. Dan soon had all the eggs and went forth to resume the sport he loved. But, the village was empty as his buddies could no longer find eggs nor the sport they loved. Dan threw down his eggs and left, realizing that while he did indeed love the eggs, he loved the sport and his buddies more. When other goats returned, there was only Smaug who yawned and went back to sleep..." With a start, Dan awoke from his nightmare and vowed to run from GOATS!
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      • Flemeth's power gain on ally death was increased today by 7.5% (edited: this originally said 15%).

        Compounded, that should come out to:
        1 Ally death: Power X 2.15
        2 Ally deaths: 4.6625
        3 Ally deaths: 9.938375
        4 Ally deaths: 21.3675063

        ...which means her max damage on crit, not counting other bonuses, is base X 21.3675063.

        Enjoy!

        -Aaron

        edit: Sorry for the inaccuracy - we increased the internal parameter by 15%, but I realize now that doesn't actually constitute a 15% increase.
        Last edited by Aaron Nemoyten; 02-06-2015, 01:45 AM.

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        • Hello Aaron,

          Thanks for the update. We'll test and let you know the actual increase. Then, we can update your example with the actual increase (7.5%, 15% or something else) as it is may confuse many at the moment.

          Many Thanks,

          MaM
          "Dan and his BloodMage buddies loved the sport of hunting for the rare goaten eggs. With each new egg, they increased their efforts and enthusiasm. Then Dan found the goat who laid the eggs. Dan soon had all the eggs and went forth to resume the sport he loved. But, the village was empty as his buddies could no longer find eggs nor the sport they loved. Dan threw down his eggs and left, realizing that while he did indeed love the eggs, he loved the sport and his buddies more. When other goats returned, there was only Smaug who yawned and went back to sleep..." With a start, Dan awoke from his nightmare and vowed to run from GOATS!
          Enter your Nexus drops and see your odds: http://bit.ly/HoDA_Nexus

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          • After testing, Flemeth's gain/ally death has been increased 7.5%, not the 15% per Aaron above. As such, she remains unuseful. However, were her gain to be increased to 15%, at 3 deaths, her gain would be 12.167x which is only slightly less than her previous 13x. At 12.167x, she would return to being useful.

            Aaron, could you please take a look at getting Flemeth's gain/ally death increased to 2.3x (15% up from 2x)?

            Many Thanks,

            MaM

            -------------
            Testing

            An explanation might be the confusion between 2x->2.15x (7.5% increase) vs. 2x->2.30x (15% increase)

            Tests were done on Easy mode of the White Nexus event

            FR: Blue Wisp, Blue Wisp
            BR: Flemeth, Red Wisp

            Flemeth displayed power: 4463
            Flemeth crit after 1 ally death: 19190 Gain factor=2.15x since 2.15 x 4463*2=19190
            Flemeth crit after 2 ally deaths: 41258 Gain factor=2.15x since 2.15 x 2.15 x 4463 x 2=41258
            Flemeth crit after 3 ally deaths: 88704 Gain factor=2.15x since 2.15 x 2.15 x 2.15 x 4463 x 2 = 88704
            "Dan and his BloodMage buddies loved the sport of hunting for the rare goaten eggs. With each new egg, they increased their efforts and enthusiasm. Then Dan found the goat who laid the eggs. Dan soon had all the eggs and went forth to resume the sport he loved. But, the village was empty as his buddies could no longer find eggs nor the sport they loved. Dan threw down his eggs and left, realizing that while he did indeed love the eggs, he loved the sport and his buddies more. When other goats returned, there was only Smaug who yawned and went back to sleep..." With a start, Dan awoke from his nightmare and vowed to run from GOATS!
            Enter your Nexus drops and see your odds: http://bit.ly/HoDA_Nexus

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            • Noted, we can increase it again but not this week (IE not on a Friday)

              -Aaron

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              • Originally posted by Aaron Nemoyten View Post
                Noted, we can increase it again but not this week (IE not on a Friday)

                -Aaron
                Thanks. Never on a Friday. (Software's version of "Never on a Sunday")

                Cheers,

                MaM
                "Dan and his BloodMage buddies loved the sport of hunting for the rare goaten eggs. With each new egg, they increased their efforts and enthusiasm. Then Dan found the goat who laid the eggs. Dan soon had all the eggs and went forth to resume the sport he loved. But, the village was empty as his buddies could no longer find eggs nor the sport they loved. Dan threw down his eggs and left, realizing that while he did indeed love the eggs, he loved the sport and his buddies more. When other goats returned, there was only Smaug who yawned and went back to sleep..." With a start, Dan awoke from his nightmare and vowed to run from GOATS!
                Enter your Nexus drops and see your odds: http://bit.ly/HoDA_Nexus

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                • Originally posted by Aaron Nemoyten View Post
                  Noted, we can increase it again but not this week (IE not on a Friday)

                  -Aaron
                  Can you please explain why you are unwilling to restore Flemeth back to previous effectiveness? It has been discussed and the math has been done for you. 2.5x is the magic number, not 2.15x.

                  Im completely baffled at this situation. This is the second time you have increased her power gain multiplier and its still not what it was, despite the community crunching the numbers for you.

                  This is absurd. I want my forts back.

                  Its clear CG does not intend on restoring Flemeth to pre-bug effectiveness.
                  Last edited by Rifter; 02-06-2015, 09:53 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by Rifter View Post
                    Can you please explain why you are unwilling to restore Flemeth back to previous effectiveness? It has been discussed and the math has been done for you. 2.5x is the magic number, not 2.15x.

                    Im completely baffled at this situation. This is the second time you have increased her power gain multiplier and its still not what it was, despite the community crunching the numbers for you.

                    This is absurd. I want my forts back.

                    Its clear CG does not intend on restoring Flemeth to pre-bug effectiveness.
                    Actually 2.35x (cube root of 13) is the magic number. I suggested 2.5x as there was concern about confusing things with non-whole numbers, but then Eirik already had a 2.5x, so that came close and provided a non-whole number precedent in the code. 2.3x works for what we need. And, this is actually the 3rd increase after the bug.

                    It looks to me that we're on an admittedly windy path, but very near the right destination.
                    "Dan and his BloodMage buddies loved the sport of hunting for the rare goaten eggs. With each new egg, they increased their efforts and enthusiasm. Then Dan found the goat who laid the eggs. Dan soon had all the eggs and went forth to resume the sport he loved. But, the village was empty as his buddies could no longer find eggs nor the sport they loved. Dan threw down his eggs and left, realizing that while he did indeed love the eggs, he loved the sport and his buddies more. When other goats returned, there was only Smaug who yawned and went back to sleep..." With a start, Dan awoke from his nightmare and vowed to run from GOATS!
                    Enter your Nexus drops and see your odds: http://bit.ly/HoDA_Nexus

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                    • Originally posted by MAM_HoDA View Post
                      Actually 2.35x (cube root of 13) is the magic number. I suggested 2.5x as there was concern about confusing things with non-whole numbers, but then Eirik already had a 2.5x, so that came close and provided a non-whole number precedent in the code. 2.3x works for what we need. And, this is actually the 3rd increase after the bug.

                      It looks to me that we're on an admittedly windy path, but very near the right destination.
                      Hi MAM. I see you know a lot about math. Most of the people just simply wants to get back the same Flemeth before bug. If you know can you explain how difficult this can be? Why CG doesnt want to set her specs back.

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                      • Well, I have gone ahead and leveled and tiered my Morrigans. If Flemeth does get her old self back guess I will have to find alternatives to Morrigans. Yavana and Bethany maybe?
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                        • Originally posted by Sajon View Post
                          Well, I have gone ahead and leveled and tiered my Morrigans. If Flemeth does get her old self back guess I will have to find alternatives to Morrigans. Yavana and Bethany maybe?
                          Try to keep faction bonus, so use yavana or even a rare drake. Sooner or later you will get another Morrigan from sp, keep that one low level. Morrigan works best.
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                          • What is the threshold where Morrigan has too much health to be helpful?
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                            • Originally posted by MacroSeth View Post
                              Hi MAM. I see you know a lot about math. Most of the people just simply wants to get back the same Flemeth before bug. If you know can you explain how difficult this can be? Why CG doesnt want to set her specs back.
                              You know, there's a phrase "No good deed shall go unpunished". If CG didn't want to set Flemeth's specs back, why did they waste time with 3 attempts to increase her power while posting around 8 posts, including an explanation of her new mechanic (perhaps the 3rd time this has ever happened)? 0 attempts, and no communication would have much easier, so I think it's fair to say the CG wants to restore Flemeth.

                              "Why is it so difficult?" is a much more fair question. It's very similar to "What is the sound of one hand clapping?"
                              "Dan and his BloodMage buddies loved the sport of hunting for the rare goaten eggs. With each new egg, they increased their efforts and enthusiasm. Then Dan found the goat who laid the eggs. Dan soon had all the eggs and went forth to resume the sport he loved. But, the village was empty as his buddies could no longer find eggs nor the sport they loved. Dan threw down his eggs and left, realizing that while he did indeed love the eggs, he loved the sport and his buddies more. When other goats returned, there was only Smaug who yawned and went back to sleep..." With a start, Dan awoke from his nightmare and vowed to run from GOATS!
                              Enter your Nexus drops and see your odds: http://bit.ly/HoDA_Nexus

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                              • Originally posted by MAM_HoDA View Post
                                "Why is it so difficult?" is a much more fair question. It's very similar to "What is the sound of one hand clapping?"
                                Didn't Bart solve that one 20 years ago?

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