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  • pixie359
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    Let's Talk Proving Grounds... again

    Slight aside, but that Proving Grounds discrepancy is infuriating. It finishes at 5am UK time, so I never have chance to compete. Last week I went to bed leaving my 3xKA, FB and DM runed up and comfortably in the top 500. 4 hours later I finished about 950. Alt account can get to to 500 too with some effort, but always drops right out before pay-dirt.

    I know the UK and Europe isn't as large a market as the US, but people on normal hours here just *can't reasonably compete* in the most important element of the game. Maybe split it, with another cut off mid week, or have it related to cumulative position over the week?

  • iluvvanessa
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    Gonna have to agree with lyeshal on his one snake master.
    As you said, it’s an rng potshot and the odds are stacked against them. You’re more likely to defend and gain a few banners.

    I’ve taken a few potshots myself and probably lost more than I’ve gained. But live and learn they say

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  • Lyeshal
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    Originally posted by Snake Master Supremo View Post
    Something that I feel needs to be looked at is the logic behind the win lose weightings we have right now. If you are at the top and someone way down decides to take an rng potshot at you, they gain a disproportioate number of banners if they get lucky and win - but lose very few banners if they lose.
    Surely this is all upside down. It should be the other way round...
    If you're at the top and you lose to someone much lower in rank, don't they deserve to win a bunch of banners? If they're that far below you, and they've just beaten you from the top, why wouldn't they earn more banners? And if they lose, they're far enough below you anyway that they shouldn't be losing many banners to you, because they're already below you.

    Conversely, if you're at the top and you're attacking players below you, why would you deserve a bunch of banners for that? You're just beating on the people below you rather than stretching above you. You shouldn't be getting a bunch of banners for beating the people lower in rank than you.

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  • Snake Master Supremo
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    The Proving Grounds (a perfect name for it) is the definitive litmus test of how good your team is without bonuses. In my opnion it is THE most important event in Hoda. It deserves all the attention cg can give it.

    It is where players discover and establish what is and isn’t Meta in the game at any point in time.
    It is the only arena that allows veteran players like myself who refuse to be part of any Corporation Guild to compete at the highest level.

    Something that I feel needs to be looked at is the logic behind the win lose weightings we have right now. If you are at the top and someone way down decides to take an rng potshot at you, they gain a disproportioate number of banners if they get lucky and win - but lose very few banners if they lose.
    Surely this is all upside down. It should be the other way round...

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  • Lyeshal
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    Originally posted by Dildoith View Post

    Since pg is a huge gem windfall I propose having a $2 surcharge to play and make it a prestigious free event.For the $2 fee even the lower end of ranking is worth it a 50 gems each and the chance to get top gems is certainly worth it.The only way something like this would be fair is if there were 2 such events with different ending times so Europeans could be included.The rest of the game is free and if people don’t want to spend they don’t have to participate.If not for PG maybe some kind of similar event.Im sure many of my fellow players would ante up a few bucks if rewards were worth it!

    An interesting idea, but not really something we're able to do, and we don't want to lock any gameplay features behind a direct paywall like that. There is something of a "fee" to play in Proving Grounds, though, if you consider the gems that must be spent in order to achieve certain ranks. So far, we've found that the gem output of Proving Grounds is still significantly superior to the average amount of gems going in at each rank tier.

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  • Dildoith
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    Originally posted by Lyeshal View Post

    We've actually tried several things with Proving Grounds, and none of them have alleviated the perceived problem. We're not currently trying anything else because we simply don't have the resources for it and we haven't gotten any fresh ideas that might possibly do something. Therefore, rather than making guesses and jumping into something blindly and wasting the precious time of the resources we do have, we are holding off until something solid comes along that we can give a fair shot with. We haven't forgotten about PG, we just haven't been able to actually do anything with it.

    However, the current state of Proving Grounds absolutely does not throw the whole balance of the game, from several viewpoints.

    Please keep in mind that you do not have the data to make assumptions about the proportions of users in the game. The decisions we make are based on a much wider array of data that players simply do not have access to.

    As I said, wait and see what happens with Proving Grounds (and other events) with this update. We are aware that this is a giant shift in gameplay, but we're not willing to jump into making any changes to the game modes until we have better live data to back it up. We will be monitoring, as always, and if we see a justification to alter rewards, we will do so.
    Since pg is a huge gem windfall I propose having a $2 surcharge to play and make it a prestigious free event.For the $2 fee even the lower end of ranking is worth it a 50 gems each and the chance to get top gems is certainly worth it.The only way something like this would be fair is if there were 2 such events with different ending times so Europeans could be included.The rest of the game is free and if people don’t want to spend they don’t have to participate.If not for PG maybe some kind of similar event.Im sure many of my fellow players would ante up a few bucks if rewards were worth it!
    Last edited by Dildoith; 11-01-2018, 03:36 PM.

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  • Zanir
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    There's always going to be someone somewhere getting screwed by time zones or work or habits or a 1000 other reasons. Under those circumstances it makes sense for the game to cater to the largest chunk of the playerbase possible. It can't be a nice 8pm everywhere for everyone. The only solutions require dev time and recoding PG like Lyeshal said. Yeah, it's unfair on Europe. Tough luck. This horse has been beaten dead so many times it's turned into a revenant.
    Last edited by Zanir; 10-24-2018, 07:02 PM.

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  • Dildoith
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    Originally posted by Grey Warden View Post


    Yeah, you are right, PG ending time zone has always been controversial and unfair and it has been discused several times.
    I am sorry for Europeans and players who don't have the "right time zone", I include myself, but it will not be changed or there will not be rotations.
    The “right” time zone has to be in Asia or perhaps Russia.I work every Sunday morning and midnight Saturday though not the worst surely could be much better!

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  • Xerks
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    Originally posted by pixie359 View Post
    Slight aside, but that Proving Grounds discrepancy is infuriating. It finishes at 5am UK time, so I never have chance to compete. Last week I went to bed leaving my 3xKA, FB and DM runed up and comfortably in the top 500. 4 hours later I finished about 950. Alt account can get to to 500 too with some effort, but always drops right out before pay-dirt.

    I know the UK and Europe isn't as large a market as the US, but people on normal hours here just *can't reasonably compete* in the most important element of the game. Maybe split it, with another cut off mid week, or have it related to cumulative position over the week?

    Sir, long before we even don't sleep just not to drop a place especially last day of the tourney. 30 mins before end of tourney is even crazier, you can drop hundred of places especially if many are playing the event.

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  • iluvvanessa
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    Meanwhile in GMT+8 Asia, it ends at 12pm. Always good to know if you got some gems or got booted out just before lunchtime
    Love it!

    This makes up for us here having to stay up at abt 3am to watch the champions league(it’s european soccer cross nation league featuring the best teams from Europe)

    *no offense intended in this post ok guys

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  • Grey Warden
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    Originally posted by Fenrir View Post

    This was suggested a loooooong time ago and CG said “ No “. Don't remember the exact reasons but this is not going to happen unfortunately

    Yeah, you are right, PG ending time zone has always been controversial and unfair and it has been discused several times.
    I am sorry for Europeans and players who don't have the "right time zone", I include myself, but it will not be changed or there will not be rotations.

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  • Zyfon
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    Originally posted by Fenrir View Post

    This was suggested a loooooong time ago and CG said “ No “. Don't remember the exact reasons but this is not going to happen unfortunately
    I see. Other than that, I don't see how we can make it 'fair' for everyone since there's only one North American server.

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  • Fenrir
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    Originally posted by Zyfon View Post
    Would it be possible to switch up the time? Let say this week we'll end at 12 GMT where next week it will end at 18 GMT so on and so forth. Maybe in a month, we'll have 4 different ending time.
    This was suggested a loooooong time ago and CG said “ No “. Don't remember the exact reasons but this is not going to happen unfortunately

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  • Zyfon
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    Would it be possible to switch up the time? Let say this week we'll end at 12 GMT where next week it will end at 18 GMT so on and so forth. Maybe in a month, we'll have 4 different ending time.

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  • Bjorn Ragnarok
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    thanks for moving and continuing this discussion. I look forward to future PG changes and experimentation.

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