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  • Retaliation ain’t counter for assassination right?

    Retaliation ability only reflects the dmg that dealt to the retaliator. so if the assassination dmg is stealthy dmg, nothing will happen right ?
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    • This new skill allows a hero to revert a percentage of damage received back to the enemy. The hero will still take all of the damage. For example, if a hero receives 10000 points of damage and retaliates for 10%, then the enemy will also take 1000 damage from the attack. This retaliation can affect all enemies, or specific targeted groups.
    So according to Lyeshal the retaliation may be against the enemy who attacked or other members of the enemy squad as well.

    As it stands, assassination is currently not stealthy so retaliate will provide a counter for it. That being said assassination will soon be stealthy, meaning it will not power up 'when allies hit' effects, Meredith's Key or heroes with Retaliate.

    Hope this helps

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Silverclaw View Post
      • This new skill allows a hero to revert a percentage of damage received back to the enemy. The hero will still take all of the damage. For example, if a hero receives 10000 points of damage and retaliates for 10%, then the enemy will also take 1000 damage from the attack. This retaliation can affect all enemies, or specific targeted groups.
      So according to Lyeshal the retaliation may be against the enemy who attacked or other members of the enemy squad as well.

      As it stands, assassination is currently not stealthy so retaliate will provide a counter for it. That being said assassination will soon be stealthy, meaning it will not power up 'when allies hit' effects, Meredith's Key or heroes with Retaliate.

      Hope this helps
      So even stealthy bart assassinate isn’t stealth?

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      • #4
        I'm...honestly not sure about that one. Sorry

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        • #5
          Stealth barts aren't affected
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          • #6
            Originally posted by DUMAT View Post
            Stealth barts aren't affected
            Yeh that’s the problem. At first I thought this new ability was a counter for the current meta Barts team in pg, but it’s really not. As soon as u put the idol gear on bart, he becomes stealthy, and even his assassination turns stealthy. Right now, retaliation can only counter AL, carver Hawke ‘s assassination since they r non-stealthy. However, once CG makes all assassination dmg stealth, retaliation will be “nerfed” in some way.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by sydneyboy View Post

              Yeh that’s the problem. At first I thought this new ability was a counter for the current meta Barts team in pg, but it’s really not. As soon as u put the idol gear on bart, he becomes stealthy, and even his assassination turns stealthy. Right now, retaliation can only counter AL, carver Hawke ‘s assassination since they r non-stealthy. However, once CG makes all assassination dmg stealth, retaliation will be “nerfed” in some way.
              There’s other counters out there.Very good ones.Bart is at the end even without a nerf .It reminds me of sera right before her nerf.She was very counterable.

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              • #8
                An assassination by a hero with stealth won't lead to a retaliation nuke, but an assassination by a hero without stealth might. Once assassination is fixed, it will no longer be an issue.
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                • #9
                  Also keep in mind that it’s only to black faction enemies as well. The LC will never be hit by a retaliation, and being that Carver and AL are the main non-stealthy assassinates now, the damage will only hit their black faction allies (KA)
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sydneyboy View Post
                    Retaliation ability only reflects the dmg that dealt to the retaliator. so if the assassination dmg is stealthy dmg, nothing will happen right ?
                    It was never intended to be an assassination counter, and we were upfront when introducing the mechanic in the war table about how it would interact with assassination both now and after the upcoming fix to that mechanic.

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                    • #11
                      does retaliation applie before or after DR ? i mean the backfire damage should go full force but the damage unit taken will be reduce by DR right ?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by truong2193 View Post
                        does retaliation applie before or after DR ? i mean the backfire damage should go full force but the damage unit taken will be reduce by DR right ?
                        It applies after the DR of the hero who is doing the retaliation - that is, if Sandal is hit for 10000 and has 20% DR, then the damage received would be 8000, and he would retaliate 400 points of damage to enemy black faction.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lyeshal View Post
                          It applies after the DR of the hero who is doing the retaliation - that is, if Sandal is hit for 10000 and has 20% DR, then the damage received would be 8000, and he would retaliate 400 points of damage to enemy black faction.

                          so its best is just gear as much hp as possible and ignore DR ? if sandal dead will him still can active retalitation damage ? i watch 1 vid when sandal vs KA and sandal still lose even both of team dead

                          and will that 400 backfire damage will effect by enemy DR too ?
                          Last edited by truong2193; 07-12-2018, 05:04 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by truong2193 View Post


                            so its best is just gear as much hp as possible and ignore DR ? if sandal dead will him still can active retalitation damage ? i watch 1 vid when sandal vs KA and sandal still lose even both of team dead

                            and will that 400 backfire damage will effect by enemy DR too ?
                            If Sandal dies, the retaliation will still take effect, as it's still considered "on-hit".

                            The retaliation damage can be affected by enemy DR.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Lyeshal View Post

                              If Sandal dies, the retaliation will still take effect, as it's still considered "on-hit".

                              The retaliation damage can be affected by enemy DR.

                              this mechanic sound like benefit enemy better than my team or maybe sandal is just a pre test for new mechanic

                              retaliation damage effect by both DR in both team so lets say sandal took 10k damage 75% DR = 2500 and then he fight back with little tiny 125 damage which still got reduce by enemy DR = 30 and this damage still trigger on hit effect to enemy lol good job of selling your team out sandal

                              as far as i can tell this mechanic only work good with current assasinate mechanic ( best counter for bart ) but after assasinate fix it may become useless , on other game normally retaliation should be at 50-100% or have special effect attached in

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