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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mer'lan View Post
    Bart key fix is on the horizon (it has been confirmed). After that warden and KA will easily become the new meta. Strong toon is good and everyone love strong toons, I think the problem is people are getting angry since a toon that is considered "newbie" toon get such special treatment and easily outshine the new exclusive SSM as well as many other hard to get 3 stars
    I am not saying I don't think KA is not too strong. I just don't see that much difference in the same old demon squads being replaced with KA's. With the Origins gauntlet it was not that hard to come up with a really good demon squad quickly(granted not as fast as KA's). I think the issue of new toon relevance is something else as people seem to constantly want to see older characters revamped as well. Perhaps some mechanism could be put into PG to have newer and rarer toons get a stat boost to help their relevance while they are harder to obtain. The older they get the less of a boost they get in PG. I agree that something as rare as SSM should be the most powerful toon in the game for a fair bit after release because of the effort people put into getting her.

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    • #17
      Guys, we have to consider that people active on these forums represent the top of the game. We talk about shooting for top spots to hunt rare toons. What's the HODA playerbase? Ten of thousands? More?

      No rookie will come into the game and suddenly best meta demon squads simply because KA drops from the Knight Pack or whatever. They won't be leg or myth forting for a while, they won't have tons of gear to shower their toons with and they won't have the support toons and LCs to round out the team.

      As for us here, we've known for a while that meta toons being available for free has been a thing at least since Kitty and Envy were put in Origins. Toon revamps have been going on for a while and not so long ago obsolete DFlemeth became the top giant pick for Apostate teams. This is part of strategy now too. We have to take this into account. If you're not, then you're not using all advantages available to you.

      That said, I will never be among the best of the best players, I rarely even have gems for premium packs because I spend all my gems on refills, so I can't speak for people who drop hundreds of gems on premium packs only to see old toons get revamps like KA's. Just thought I'd offer a different perspective.

      Full disclosure, I have like 8 KAs forted away in different toons...
      Last edited by Zanir; 05-09-2018, 03:20 PM.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Dildoith View Post
        KA has new update that makes it too easy to build a pg worthy team.I don’t understand and I’m kind of ticked off.In my opinion it makes me feel all of my effort to build up toons and use best gear is kind of wasted when a toon like KA comes pg ready and very easy to acquire.People a month into playing can have a team ready to rock in pg and they are on equal or close to equal playing field too easily with vets and/or spenders.
        I understand why SSM isn’t insanely meta because it would be unfair to community that doesn’t have her but giving so much power to a toon that is very easy to acquire for free makes it feel like a waste to chase toons and use resources to build them up.
        I’m very disappointed!!!
        Well, for one thing, KA is currently -only- available in the Enemies of Tevinter event. He's not available in any standard pack. So your fear about new players who are a month into playing coming and getting all the KAs and rocking it is pretty well unfounded. That would only happen if they are lucky enough to be joining when that particular event is running, and are able to build up enough quickly to be able to run the event to farm KA, who is now a 2* and accordingly drops at lower rates.

        Obviously during a Group Feature week that he would fit into, he'd be available in the GCPs, but again, he is 2* now, and drops at correspondingly lower rates.

        So I definitely wouldn't say it's "very easy to acquire for free".

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Hellboy View Post
          Maybe KA should be removed from the cheaper packs (and be very hard to get in events); the better is something, the harder should it be to obtain. Few of us will disagree with this...
          Yeah he was pulled from cheaper packs in the last round of pack refreshes...

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Madara View Post
            I understand why many players are abandoning the game.
            False statement based on too narrow a field of perspective and not backed by the data that you don't have access to. Please try again.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Zanir View Post
              simply because KA drops from the Knight Pack or whatever.
              Except that he totally doesn't anymore.

              Sounds like it's time for everyone to go refresh themselves on the pack catalogs

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Lyeshal View Post

                Except that he totally doesn't anymore.

                Sounds like it's time for everyone to go refresh themselves on the pack catalogs
                Well there you go.

                Except, like I said, I can just drop some gems and have a 4x dupe KA squad if I want, so...
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                • #23
                  People, you should look into what dwarves you have warming your fort slots. One of these days, I tell ye, we'll wake up to a dwarf group update and suddenly Endrin Aeducan will be a baller 2* and everyone will be like "VVaric who? Bartrand what? pfffffft".

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Lyeshal View Post

                    Except that he totally doesn't anymore.

                    Sounds like it's time for everyone to go refresh themselves on the pack catalogs
                    Sorry if I'm being mean here, as much as I love Alistair and his character in dragon age series. That still does not justify the revamp KA outshine SSM in almost everyway as she is still the most exclusive toon Hoda has ever seen.

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                    • #25
                      I loved his revamp and hope to see main vanilla and da2 mains recieve similar treatment as well.

                      If devs would remove his templar tag to cut him of from templar banner drain immunity or convert banner skill to resist, plus; va negative aura changed into reducing all resist for templars, then dupe ka teams wouldnt pose any dominance threat at pg.
                      Last edited by akq; 05-09-2018, 05:27 PM.

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                      • #26
                        You can easily get Kitty and POC in Origins, you only need THO and Xenon to create a top tier Demon Team.

                        His revamp and along with rest of the wardens actually change the current meta and finally removed the demons at the top. Which i think is a good thing. Demons dominating the meta for over 6 months(not sure) is not healthy in the game. Sure there are teams that can counter them but they don't have versatilty of Demon teams, so in the end players still chose Demons as their defense team.

                        And KA is slow round, players will find a way to counter him sooner than later. Unlike Kitty, which was super hard to kill back then because of her quick round speed, 3 effects immunities and power gain allies ability.

                        It took CG to overhaul the stats for new heroes and revamps (stats based on the number of stars), increasing the overall health of heroes to finally survive Kitties.
                        Last edited by gamesworn; 05-09-2018, 05:38 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Dildoith View Post
                          KA has new update that makes it too easy to build a pg worthy team.I don’t understand and I’m kind of ticked off. In my opinion it makes me feel all of my effort to build up toons and use best gear is kind of wasted when a toon like KA comes pg ready and very easy to acquire. People a month into playing can have a team ready to rock in pg and they are on equal or close to equal playing field too easily with vets and/or spenders.
                          So, you're saying the same players should stay in the same top spots with the same toons all the time? Because everyone should be building towards the same strategy?

                          I thought the point of the game was to have different strategies. The KA update promotes just that. And what does it matter if it gives new players a bit of an edge? Shouldn't new faces be welcome in the competition instead of the same people all the time? Besides...

                          Originally posted by Zanir View Post
                          Guys, we have to consider that people active on these forums represent the top of the game. We talk about shooting for top spots to hunt rare toons. What's the HODA playerbase? Ten of thousands? More?

                          No rookie will come into the game and suddenly best meta demon squads simply because KA drops from the Knight Pack or whatever. They won't be leg or myth forting for a while, they won't have tons of gear to shower their toons with and they won't have the support toons and LCs to round out the team.

                          As for us here, we've known for a while that meta toons being available for free has been a thing at least since Kitty and Envy were put in Origins. Toon revamps have been going on for a while and not so long ago obsolete DFlemeth became the top giant pick for Apostate teams. This is part of strategy now too. We have to take this into account. If you're not, then you're not using all advantages available to you.

                          That said, I will never be among the best of the best players, I rarely even have gems for premium packs because I spend all my gems on refills, so I can't speak for people who drop hundreds of gems on premium packs only to see old toons get revamps like KA's. Just thought I'd offer a different perspective..
                          Agreed wholeheartedly.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by gamesworn View Post
                            You can easily get Kitty and POC in Origins, you only need THO and Xenon to create a top tier Demon Team.

                            His revamp and along with rest of the wardens actually change the current meta and finally removed the demons at the top. Which i think is a good thing. Demons dominating the meta for over 6 months(not sure) is not healthy in the game. Sure there are teams that can counter them but they don't have versatilty of Demon teams, so in the end players still chose Demons as their defense team.

                            And KA is slow round, players will find a way to counter him sooner than later. Unlike Kitty, which was super hard to kill back then because of her quick round speed, 3 effects immunities and power gain allies ability.

                            It took CG to overhaul the stats for new heroes and revamps (stats based on the number of stars), increasing the overall health of heroes to finally survive Kitties.
                            This. I love my demon squad, but I'm kinda sick of using them.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Warden Commander Cousland View Post

                              So, you're saying the same players should stay in the same top spots with the same toons all the time? Because everyone should be building towards the same strategy?

                              I thought the point of the game was to have different strategies. The KA update promotes just that. And what does it matter if it gives new players a bit of an edge? Shouldn't new faces be welcome in the competition instead of the same people all the time? Besides...



                              Agreed wholeheartedly.
                              You have little idea of what you speak.I never said same players should stay in top.I’m saying players that build toons and invest money should have benefit not to be wiped away with update or at least severely diminished.I thought you need to earn your stripes.Im saying it makes it less enticing to invest when everything changes so drastically at the drop of a hat.Those words you can use as they are mine,no need to speculate!

                              Oh and for the record I could give a damn about demons,they’ve been very beatable since the fall!Yes even before

                              As a matter of fact in a post not long ago Lyeshal herself stated that pg is for players that have put time and resources into developing strong squads.Well KA revamp is about a week old,how many are in 200-500 in pg?Doesnt seem like a lot of time and building there to me!
                              Last edited by Dildoith; 05-09-2018, 07:54 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Hey guys we are not at the time of the game where one meta team dominated all, call it Sera, Nathaniel Howe, Fenharel, etc

                                Balance is coming, and for good measure, KA update was a good one, but he is very counterable as a slow toon.

                                Wardens have a part in the meta, let's add the new Warden Commander Sophia that is one of KAs counters, as is Vengeance Anders, beating KA is not even close to an impossible task, so try some setups, I'm, sure there's more than 3-4 counters not using Barts.

                                I agree that exclusiveness must match a toons power in some way, but we can't let the game favor just one group/toon in the power creep, that's not good for strategy, diversity is good for strategy and to maintain new players in the game.

                                KA is a 2*, not so easy to get, most of us wanted some of the good oldies to have some power.

                                It is not anymore a game where super premium toons beat crappy ones. Sure premium toons could have a little edge, but good revamps will keep coming, and they probably beat some very good setups and fall to other groups, adding more diversity.

                                All in all we must value the time the team has put on revamping our old toons, quite sure more revamps will come to add strategic value combined with new toons as Sophia is doing for the Wardens.

                                Let's forget about great toons beating crappy ones, and embrace strategy as a whole.
                                Hero analyst

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