Tag Additions, Removals, and Swaps: A Suggestion Thread

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Melissa Hayes View Post


    For both 1* Morrigan and Sister Nightingale, they were in HoDA before Inquisition, and then got Inquisition tags when Inquisition came out because both characters returned as advisors. It took some time before new Inquisition specific versions of the characters came out. Ideally, both of them, and probably Varric Tethras, who also got an Inquisition tag added after the game came out before his new Inquisition version was released, should have Inquisition tags removed, but that would probably anger or disappoint a lot of people who use those toons on Inquisition teams.
    I'm not sure about sister nightingale, like her skill sets. If they do not help inquisition it may be an easier time to remove them from her. But VT has auras that affect inquisition, if I am not mistaken, which would be more difficult I think.
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    • #17
      I'm actually fine with all of them keeping their Inquisition tags. My point mostly was that Morrigan is not alone in having her pre-Inquisition version having the tag added before having a new version released based on their appearance in Inquisition. It's a bit odd, but consistent with the treatment of other heroes, so not a big deal for me.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Melissa Hayes View Post
        I'm actually fine with all of them keeping their Inquisition tags. My point mostly was that Morrigan is not alone in having her pre-Inquisition version having the tag added before having a new version released based on their appearance in Inquisition. It's a bit odd, but consistent with the treatment of other heroes, so not a big deal for me.
        ​That's alright. However, it does bother me because they are tags that served their purpose until the actual versions from the game arrived to HoDA. Now it's like the tags are there to be there and nothing more. Both Morrigan and Sister Nightingale have no abilities that affect inquisition whatsoever. All they would really be doing with that tag is leaching off of others that do boos inquisition. If the tag were removed from them both, I think maybe an accompanying boost to skills for their "smaller group of affiliations" would be fair.
        What do you think?

        ​P.S. Varric Tethras does boost inquisition, so I do not see his inquisition tag having the possibility of being removed, unless they remove and replace with something else, like what was done with Artificer Varric's debuff to red lyrium.
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        • #19
          I agree, removing VT's tag would be a problem because he's fully integrated into the group with his auras. I doubt anyone would miss the Inquisition tag on Morrigan because there are so many other easily obtainable Inquisition units that do boost Inquisition. Sister Nightingale does not boost Inquisition, just Chantry, iirc. I wouldn't be upset if she lost her tag, because I do like lore continuity (my head might explode if they ever made Giselle a mage, though, because if lore discontinuity) but SN does have more use on an Inquisition team than Morrigan does, because she does boost the other Chantry types in the Inquisition while also benefitting from the boost to Leliana that Ritts gives. Morrigan could help boost an Inquisition Apostate team, but at the cost of losing the faction bonus to blue units. All the other Inquisition apostates have blue bases, except for AM's red/blue.

          also, I agree that if tags are removed, both Morrigan and SN would benefit from some new auras added for the groups they do belong in.
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          • #20
            If we remove Inquisition tag from Varric then we'll have only Artificer carrying the Inq tag. But Varric was with Inquisition before becoming Artificer too. He is consistent with original Sera carrying Inq tag.

            On the contrary, Morrigan during Inquisition events looks much older than her HODA version and in HODA she rather reminds the first Morrigan we meet in Origins. I'd support removing tags from her and SN, but not from Varric because him carrying Inq tag is OK from lore point of view too, I think.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ellana View Post
              If we remove Inquisition tag from Varric then we'll have only Artificer carrying the Inq tag. But Varric was with Inquisition before becoming Artificer too. He is consistent with original Sera carrying Inq tag.

              On the contrary, Morrigan during Inquisition events looks much older than her HODA version and in HODA she rather reminds the first Morrigan we meet in Origins. I'd support removing tags from her and SN, but not from Varric because him carrying Inq tag is OK from lore point of view too, I think.
              For Varric, I agree. He was with the Inquisition before he was an Artificer. That's why I was only talking about Morrigan, and then a bit later about SN, with VT being in Post Script.

              So for he I don't mind that he has them. It's Morrigan & now also SN that it feels out of place
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              • #22
                In defense of Sister Nightingale, Leliana doesn't abandon her role in the Chantry so much as Divine Justinia died and left the Chantry in a state of disarray. She maintains the title while serving as Advisor and Spymaster to the Inquisition, and gets referred to as Nightingale occasionally too.

                Even if she is considered to be Leliana purely prior to the formation of the Inquisition, she is still one of its founding members alongside Cassandra.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Inquisitor Adaar View Post
                  In defense of Sister Nightingale, Leliana doesn't abandon her role in the Chantry so much as Divine Justinia died and left the Chantry in a state of disarray. She maintains the title while serving as Advisor and Spymaster to the Inquisition, and gets referred to as Nightingale occasionally too.

                  Even if she is considered to be Leliana purely prior to the formation of the Inquisition, she is still one of its founding members alongside Cassandra.
                  ​Then if not taking away the tag, then maybe the discussion can be opened to adding auras/abilities that positively impact other inquisition heroes, if not, its just randomly hanging there.
                  ​I originally only brought up Morrigan, because I knew there was some blurriness for the other two, Varric especially. But for Morrigan, as her capacity is advisor, and then dragon for the inquisition (briefly), I feel like those bases are covered, without the regular 1* Morrigan needing the tag at all.
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                  • #24
                    Wow so many golden posts here.

                    I have to agree as well, the diversity of Inquisition wouldn't be hurt if Morrigan and Sister Nightingale would lose the Inq tags, to make it more lore accurate and game challenging, I mean, they would clearly be better off placed in their own groups; Apostates and Chantry.


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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Emeiru View Post
                      Wow so many golden posts here.

                      I have to agree as well, the diversity of Inquisition wouldn't be hurt if Morrigan and Sister Nightingale would lose the Inq tags, to make it more lore accurate and game challenging, I mean, they would clearly be better off placed in their own groups; Apostates and Chantry.
                      Especially since we've had another inquisition hero added today
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                      • #26
                        Should Disciple of Andraste mages - Eirik, Cultist Mage, and potentially "Weylon"- have the apostate tag?
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Melissa Hayes View Post
                          Should Disciple of Andraste mages - Eirik, Cultist Mage, and potentially "Weylon"- have the apostate tag?
                          ​They're not part of the official andrastian chantry and they aren't circle, so yes. at least how I see it
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                          • #28
                            As you pointed out in the other thread, they already have the tag. I was a in idiot and looked at Kolgrim's tags. He's not a mage and therefore not an apostate. XD
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Melissa Hayes View Post
                              As you pointed out in the other thread, they already have the tag. I was a in idiot and looked at Kolgrim's tags. He's not a mage and therefore not an apostate. XD
                              That's nothing, I once wrote a sheet for a mage and forgot to add the mage tag, and it was sitting in the thread for months
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                              • #30
                                Regarding the inquisition tag for Morrigan and SN: there are many good arguments that I've read for keeping the tag and for not, based mostly on a combination of game lore, HoDA strategy, and HoDA history. I think that we should keep their tags as is, simply because--as mentioned--it doesn't negatively effect the gameplay in any way. However, it does give these rarely seen characters more reason to use them. SN and Morrigan may be some of the first characters that new players can obtain, and while we know that they're not that great, they should be as versatile as possible. As players gain levels and build their rosters, Morrigan will be replaced by AM, and SN will be replaced by DL or AL, and the squads will get progressively better. What we really see is an evolution of the Inquisition group as they grow in strength.

                                As for additional classes, I don't think that there's really a need to make an alternative to the Mage/Rogue/Warrior dynamic. If someone isn't one of those, then that's fine--they're still a part of other groups that have those classifications within them. Regarding an "etc." grouping, I think that that's already sort of implied by not being given one of the other three. Does it make sense to add another tag? Especially one that would never have any buffs (it wouldn't really make sense to have a character buff...all other random assortments of characters, who have nothing in common except that they have nothing in common)? And creatures could arguably be a fourth part of that dynamic--Rogue/Mage/Warrior/Creature.

                                Also, and I don't know if this will be controversial or not, but what do people think of adding the warrior tag to Knight Enchanter Viv and Helaine? It would make them the only class-mixing character, but I think that based on the lore, a warrior mage makes sense. Thoughts?

                                Also, lore question: why are many spirits (SoJ, NSoJ, SoF, SoH, NSoH) mages? I was under the impression that spirits were spirits, unless they inhabited a person, at which point they adapted their characteristics (Cole becoming a rogue, SoF becoming a mage, etc.) Is there something lore-wise that effects which class a spirit falls into?

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