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    This thread is going to be special, it will be to suggest tag additions, tag removals, and tag swaps on heroes.

    ​There are rules though;
    ​1. The tag suggestions made must make lore sense.
    2. No outrageous recommendations.
    3. A reason for the change must be given along with the suggested change.
    4. If a new hero comes out and the tags have been brought up elsewhere and are under consideration, wait for that response, do not add a suggestion for that hero here. If the tags have not been brought up elsewhere, then it is acceptable to suggest here.

    ​As a final word: This is not official, but it is for people to voice their specific ideas about how they feel a hero might be made more accurate through tags (within reason), and is still only a suggestion thread!
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    To get the ball rolling I suggest Morrigan (1*) who's current tags are; Apostate, Inquisition, and Mages ​should have the Inquisition tag removed.
    Reason: In Dragon Age Inquisition, Morrigan is an advisor, and HoDA has a hero for that, Advisor Morrigan (2*). Aside from this, nothing in the 1* Morrigan's abilities or auras affects Inquisition in any way, which makes the Inquisition tag seem to be there just to be there.
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    • #3
      I think the Apostate should be removed from The Elder One (3*).
      Reason: It seems odd that he is considered an Apostate despite being from Tevinter, where magic is regarded very differently.
      He is also from a time and awakens in the present, a situation not too dissimilar with Fen’Harel, who is not considered an Apostate.

      I think the Chantry and Seeker tags should be added to The Last Inquisitor (3*).
      Reason: The Inquisition was part of the Chantry at that time and he described as a man of faith in respect to both Dalish and Chantry tradition.
      The codex refers to him as Commander of the Seekers of Truth too, but he also says that the most Inquisitors were never Seekers, sooo…

      Mixed feelings regarding Morrigan (1*) and the Inquisition tag, though I do see your point.
      She appears in those clothes in the Skyhold garden and again during What Pride Had Wrought (Temple of Mythal) as an npc companion.
      Her Health/Power aura is a general one too, so she can at least contribute to the Inquisition, albeit indirectly.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Inquisitor Adaar View Post
        I think the Apostate should be removed from The Elder One (3*).
        Reason: It seems odd that he is considered an Apostate despite being from Tevinter, where magic is regarded very differently.
        He is also from a time and awakens in the present, a situation not too dissimilar with Fen’Harel, who is not considered an Apostate.

        I think the Chantry and Seeker tags should be added to The Last Inquisitor (3*).
        Reason: The Inquisition was part of the Chantry at that time and he described as a man of faith in respect to both Dalish and Chantry tradition.
        The codex refers to him as Commander of the Seekers of Truth too, but he also says that the most Inquisitors were never Seekers, sooo…

        Mixed feelings regarding Morrigan (1*) and the Inquisition tag, though I do see your point.
        She appears in those clothes in the Skyhold garden and again during What Pride Had Wrought (Temple of Mythal) as an npc companion.
        Her Health/Power aura is a general one too, so she can at least contribute to the Inquisition, albeit indirectly.
        I like those first two you mentioned.

        For clarity about Morrigan, I know she's wearing her clothes from over ten years ago (chronologically) in inquisition in the garden and the temple, but this Morrigan was also created before inquisition. Furthermore she got a recent ability update and nothing was given that would even be specific to the Inquisition. General ones work for everyone. When you look at her position, even though she doesn't wear her ball gown in skyhold or the Forest she is an advisor on things magical and elven to the Inquisitor. Advisor Morrigan (2☆) has the inquisition auras and the title. It feels out of place on regular Morrigan.
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        • #5
          Scout Harding should have a Ferelden tag. She lived all her life in Redcliffe, and has no connection to or love for Orzammar. In the Descent DLC, you can ask her opinion of Orzammar, and she makes it pretty clear that she does not look on it as her 'true' home.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Melissa Hayes View Post
            Scout Harding should have a Ferelden tag. She lived all her life in Redcliffe, and has no connection to or love for Orzammar. In the Descent DLC, you can ask her opinion of Orzammar, and she makes it pretty clear that she does not look on it as her 'true' home.
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            • #7
              I have played and passed all the DA games several times and I think there are numerous incorrected tags in the game, but I understand that is because a lot of toons would be very powerful if they had all the tags.
              For example Mother Giselle should be Ferelden (she was helping them) and Orlesian (she is from Orlais), and she hasn't any speciallity or class like all the heroes (she should be warrior, mage or rogue), most heroes belong to a class, excepting creatures, I didn't remember any heroe in the game that not belong to a class.
              Evangeline should be spirit.
              Fen Harel should have apostate tag.
              Bianca should be Inquisition (she helps the Inquisition and most of the heroes that help or join the Inquisition have the tag)
              Felix and Alexius should be nobility, they are magisters and also most of Tevinter mages who are magisters and haven't the tag (Maevaris, Erimond...) Only the Magister Dorian is nobility and the other Dorians don't have the tag and the should have it too.
              I missed the 4 Viviennes (Gev,Kev,Palideweave Vivienne and Vivienne), non of them have the nobility tag and she is always presuming to belong to the nobility

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Third_Monti

                Mother Giselle is not a warrior, she is not a mage, she is not a Rogue. She is not Ferelden, she was just helping the people in Ferelden with her capacity as a chantry mother. Her lack of Orlesian tag was discussed in her own thread.

                Evangeline is both new and her tag is being discussed in her own thread, please read the rules.

                Bianca helps Varric (as I understand it) not the inquisition.

                Vivienne is not Nobility, she is a mage, and the an aristocrat's woman on the side, she is not his wife.

                But to magisters, I agree, they deserve the Nobility tag.

                I agree, but there isn't any human heroe that don't belong to a class, and you need heroes that belong to a class for the HoDA tournament for example, only creatures don't have a class tag.
                Bianca Inquisition tag: it depends, she is helping Varric and the Inquisition, you could add it or not, but most of characters that cooperate or help the Inquisition has the tag.
                And Fen Harel is an apostate, he doesn't belong to any Circle of mages.
                But Vivienne's become the Counselor of the Empress Celene and enchanter of the court, she isn't noble but she isn't a normal Circle Mage, she has always been around nobility and she has been very respected in the court and she has a high influence and power there, she could have the tag too.
                It is only my point of view there are a lot of arguable tags
                Great post Third Monti

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Grey Warden View Post
                  I have played and passed all the DA games several times and I think there are numerous incorrected tags in the game, but I understand that is because a lot of toons would be very powerful if they had all the tags.
                  For example Mother Giselle should be Ferelden (she was helping them) and Orlesian (she is from Orlais), and she hasn't any speciallity or class like all the heroes (she should be warrior, mage or rogue), most heroes belong to a class, excepting creatures, I didn't remember any heroe in the game that not belong to a class.
                  Evangeline should be spirit.
                  Fen Harel should have apostate tag.
                  Bianca should be Inquisition (she helps the Inquisition and most of the heroes that help or join the Inquisition have the tag)
                  Felix and Alexius should be nobility, they are magisters and also most of Tevinter mages who are magisters and haven't the tag (Maevaris, Erimond...) Only the Magister Dorian is nobility and the other Dorians don't have the tag and the should have it too.
                  I missed the 4 Viviennes (Gev,Kev,Palideweave Vivienne and Vivienne), non of them have the nobility tag and she is always presuming to belong to the nobility
                  Sorry about my earlier snappiness, I'm a bit stressed.

                  Mother Giselle is Orlesian, but I think it was mentioned on her own thread why she does not have location tags. For your suggestion of her being Ferelden because she was there. . . Think of it this way, if you travel to a different country and help the people there while you're there does that make you a citizen of that country? And I know she doesn't have class tags (warrior, mage, rogue), and maybe it might seem like she should have, but she doesn't have magic (at the time Mages are not allowed in the Chantry), I've never seen her carry a sword or shield like a warrior (if you have let me see, I'd be Interested), and for rogue, I also see no evidence, if you have some please let me know.

                  Evangeline and her tags are being discussed in her own thread.

                  I agree with you about Fen'Harel; however, as HoDA takes characters from different points in time, it is possible they are using Fen'Harel from before the Chantry existed, which means he would not need the Apostate tag.

                  From my understanding, Bianca was helping Varric and not the inquisition, although you may be right.

                  I agree with you about the magisters, they should all have Nobility tag, as Magister = Nobility.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Grey Warden View Post


                    I agree, but there isn't any human heroe that don't belong to a class, and you need heroes that belong to a class for the HoDA tournament for example, only creatures don't have a class tag.
                    Bianca Inquisition tag: it depends, she is helping Varric and the Inquisition, you could add it or not, but most of characters that cooperate or help the Inquisition has the tag.
                    And Fen Harel is an apostate, he doesn't belong to any Circle of mages.
                    But Vivienne's become the Counselor of the Empress Celene and enchanter of the court, she isn't noble but she isn't a normal Circle Mage, she has always been around nobility and she has been very respected in the court and she has a high influence and power there, she could have the tag too.
                    It is only my point of view there are a lot of arguable tags
                    Great post Third Monti
                    Thank you.

                    Maybe we can try to get the terms for the next tourney to change to include heroes without classes

                    And for Vivienne, I understand where you're coming from bit I think what really matters are the rules of the country. Orlesian Nobility seems to come from blood (that's why Aveline has the nobility tag) but Vivienne comes from Rivain, or at least her family does. And I haven't read anything that would suggest she was Noble, and that is probably why she doesn't have the tag.
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                    • #11
                      Great thread - I love soaking up lore!

                      Being that I don't know a ton of lore, I've got 3 offerings.

                      1. Add a 4th profession tag. We have rogues, warriors, and mages. We need to cover those outside these tags. Genitivi, Giselle, etc. A civilian tag sounds kind of lame, but appropriate?

                      2. The Dracolisks should have the dragon tag. Debatable as there seems to be no clear lore indicating they are Dragon in origin, only that they could be. But for gameplay, they are practically useless without it. With it, they might actually be good. Or at least a little better.

                      3. This last one may catch kickback. But here goes. As I understand, spirits and demons are kind of (?) the same; some choose to embrace and assist the living, some do not. We've got toons like Xeb, Nightmare, Malvernis... who try so hard to let squads combine both groups - but there just isn't enough synergy. Some more spirits who help demons, and vice versa. And a couple toons who actually hold both tags.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by xXx_nog_xXx View Post
                        Great thread - I love soaking up lore!

                        Being that I don't know a ton of lore, I've got 3 offerings.

                        1. Add a 4th profession tag. We have rogues, warriors, and mages. We need to cover those outside these tags. Genitivi, Giselle, etc. A civilian tag sounds kind of lame, but appropriate?

                        2. The Dracolisks should have the dragon tag. Debatable as there seems to be no clear lore indicating they are Dragon in origin, only that they could be. But for gameplay, they are practically useless without it. With it, they might actually be good. Or at least a little better.

                        3. This last one may catch kickback. But here goes. As I understand, spirits and demons are kind of (?) the same; some choose to embrace and assist the living, some do not. We've got toons like Xeb, Nightmare, Malvernis... who try so hard to let squads combine both groups - but there just isn't enough synergy. Some more spirits who help demons, and vice versa. And a couple toons who actually hold both tags.

                        Cheers!
                        Thank you.

                        Maybe the grouping should be called etc. And I'm not joking here, I mean Maryden is a musician, Giselle is a priestess, and animals are animals, I can just see it: "Mages, Rogues, Warriors, etc." It sort of encompasses a great deal without being too specific.

                        I think the Dracolisks are like the Halla (there to look pretty

                        And yes the beings of the fade are all spirits (replaying Origins currently and read the codex) but some that embrace the darker or more aggressive emotions are called demon. I agree that it would be nice to have some with both tags attached *cough* Ghost of the Spire*Cough* but for him it's already been vetoed.
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                        • #13
                          We already have 4th profession tag that we use unofficially - support.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ellana View Post
                            We already have 4th profession tag that we use unofficially - support.
                            But that's boring
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Third_Monti View Post

                              I like those first two you mentioned.

                              For clarity about Morrigan, I know she's wearing her clothes from over ten years ago (chronologically) in inquisition in the garden and the temple, but this Morrigan was also created before inquisition. Furthermore she got a recent ability update and nothing was given that would even be specific to the Inquisition. General ones work for everyone. When you look at her position, even though she doesn't wear her ball gown in skyhold or the Forest she is an advisor on things magical and elven to the Inquisitor. Advisor Morrigan (2☆) has the inquisition auras and the title. It feels out of place on regular Morrigan.

                              For both 1* Morrigan and Sister Nightingale, they were in HoDA before Inquisition, and then got Inquisition tags when Inquisition came out because both characters returned as advisors. It took some time before new Inquisition specific versions of the characters came out. Ideally, both of them, and probably Varric Tethras, who also got an Inquisition tag added after the game came out before his new Inquisition version was released, should have Inquisition tags removed, but that would probably anger or disappoint a lot of people who use those toons on Inquisition teams.
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