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    Hi guys.
    1. I wanna talk about Urthemiel revamp to brand new level of LG, such as revamped GoM and others.
    According to the Lore, all Archdemons have connection to the fade and can control demons. As we know, all inhabitants of the Fade are Spirits and Demons. So I think we should add Demonic tag for him
    2. Most of Ancient Gods are Blood Mages.
    3. Also Tevinter group for him will be useful.
    4. Small change in auras will make him one of top LC in game.

    Proposal.

    Archdemon Urthemiel
    Groups: Bligthed, Creatures, Dragon, Tevinter, Demonic, Blood mage + mage tag, if Blood mage can't be without mage tag
    Attack: same as now
    Stats: same as now, he will also get self adjustment
    Abilities: same as now
    Buffs revamped:
    Blight and Tevinter: +50% Health and Power, + 100% Drain Resist
    Allies: +25% Stun and Slow Resist, +30% extra damage vs. Grey Wardens
    The Architect: +50% power, curse resist.

    Purpose.
    To combine with Tevinter banner, THO teams
    To combine with Tevinter blood mage teams
    To combine with Dorian brothers teams.
    There will be no need to use SoM in that case. Drain Resist is the weak place in Tevinter teams. As LC for Tevinter AU will be the top.

    In future, maybe, you will add other Ancient Gods Archdemons such as Dumat, Tot and others.
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    I don't know if Blood mage tag means also mage tage. If so we can add mage tag for him.
    So Necromancer Dorian will buff him +60/+60, instead +30/+30.

    Black set
    Necromancer Dorian, The Elder One, Tevinter Banner + ND/Chair/TEO/TB/Gereon Alexius/Archon Radonis/Lord Erimond will be interesting team.

    White set
    Magister Dorian, Gereon Alexius, Xenon the Antiquarian, Necromancer Dorian, Dorian and different combinations of them

    Blue set
    Magister Dorian, Tevinter Banner, Dorian, Archon Radonis, Lord Erimond, different combinations of Blue teviner mages/nobility
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    • #3
      AU should absolutely have Tevinter tag and I'm sure he'll get it soon, but I don't think blood mage or demon is necessary. The Old Gods were dragons, not mages, and Archdemons are inherently connected to the Fade as the source of the Blight but don't really have anything to do with actual demons.
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      • #4
        sincerely I do not think that it would go well with tevinter since they lack resistance to curse and the infected dragon would not help them much that is why it is better with the infected

        Rather, they should the dorian dragon under the same concept of morrigan shifters or malvernis make a version where dorian becomes a dragon to help the tevinters and blood wizards

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        • #5
          Originally posted by [Arcangel
          Celestial;n2269875]sincerely I do not think that it would go well with tevinter since they lack resistance to curse and the infected dragon would not help them much that is why it is better with the infected

          Rather, they should the dorian dragon under the same concept of morrigan shifters or malvernis make a version where dorian becomes a dragon to help the tevinters and blood wizards
          Dorian never appears as a dragon in DA, and has no shapeshifting capabilities, so that's not going to happen.
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          • #6
            Demons do not need more.. honestly.. there are plenty of LC for demons.
            How about making useful LC for other groups considered less "meta"?..

            ... and then there's PALA (you know.. that lil warrior dwarf).

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            • #7
              I think AU should have "+30% bonus damage and damage resist Vs. Wardens for allies."
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              • #8
                I would love to see an Archdemon revamp, but I also think most of those group tags would be speculative at this point. Its already more than generous if it gets to be considered Tevinter.

                What if the Archdemon gave Blighted Damage Resistance against everything except Wardens instead though? Grey Wardens are supposedly the only thing that can permanently kill an Archdemon, and they already have a lot of debuffs and Bonus Damage against the Blighted in-game.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Alduin The World Eater View Post

                  Dorian never appears as a dragon in DA, and has no shapeshifting capabilities, so that's not going to happen.
                  That is known but I refer to a non-canonical version, there are heroes that are not canon but are included in the game as a possibility that would have happened as they ogren infected or naishe

                  for tevinter is more useful if or if you need a pure dragon tevinter and it would not be bad a version of dorian in the form of a dragon, for now I use the big dragon that is closest to a support for tevinter

                  With respect to damage bonus for archdemonium against guards would be unjustified, currently my team keeps this completely fortified and can not defeat an infected team without duplicate much less than one that has 2 theo, so it would be better to be rather the gray knight guard is updated and bonus of damage against infected so that it is more possible to do something

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by [Arcangel
                    Celestial;n2269907]

                    That is known but I refer to a non-canonical version, there are heroes that are not canon but are included in the game as a possibility that would have happened as they ogren infected or naishe
                    The difference here is that you're pulling "Dragon Dorian" out of the air as a possibility, whereas Naishe is an alternative form of Isabela as revealed through the comics series, and the blighted versions of heroes are extrapolated through The Darkspawn Chronicles DLC. These are both initiated and supported by BioWare in their lore. There is no "alternate timeline" presented by BioWare where there is the possibility that Dorian becomes a Shapeshifter to learn how to become a Dragon.

                    The lore is actually pretty clear that learning how to shapeshift into a dragon is very rare even among shapeshifters - Flemeth can do so based on having the soul of Mythal within her, and thus has the knowledge of the Ancient Elves. Morrigan can do it ONLY under the circumstances where she has drank from the Well of Sorrows and thus is granted the knowledge of the Ancient Elves, along with already knowing how to do shapeshift magic. Malvernis can do it because he's a demon and demons can pretty much do what they want

                    There is no chance there will ever be a Dragon Dorian within HoDA.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lyeshal View Post

                      The difference here is that you're pulling "Dragon Dorian" out of the air as a possibility, whereas Naishe is an alternative form of Isabela as revealed through the comics series, and the blighted versions of heroes are extrapolated through The Darkspawn Chronicles DLC. These are both initiated and supported by BioWare in their lore. There is no "alternate timeline" presented by BioWare where there is the possibility that Dorian becomes a Shapeshifter to learn how to become a Dragon.

                      The lore is actually pretty clear that learning how to shapeshift into a dragon is very rare even among shapeshifters - Flemeth can do so based on having the soul of Mythal within her, and thus has the knowledge of the Ancient Elves. Morrigan can do it ONLY under the circumstances where she has drank from the Well of Sorrows and thus is granted the knowledge of the Ancient Elves, along with already knowing how to do shapeshift magic. Malvernis can do it because he's a demon and demons can pretty much do what they want

                      There is no chance there will ever be a Dragon Dorian within HoDA.
                      Malvernis is a something anyway. The Wiki says it seems to be a demon, but that is unknown for certain.

                      But as things go, all spirits (demons included) are shape shifters. Anything and everything in the fade can be one or the other, even if it's a chair.

                      Quote from the codex Beyond the Veil: Spirits and Demons:
                      It is challenging enough for the casual observer to tell the difference between the Fade and the creatures that live within it, let alone between one type of spirit and another. In truth, there is little that distinguishes them, even for the most astute mages. Since spirits are not physical entities and are therefore not restricted to recognizable forms (or even having a form at all), one can never tell for certain what is alive and what is merely part of the scenery. (It is therefore advisable for the inexperienced researcher to greet all objects he encounters.)


                      ​Also, there's no chance that there will ever be a Dragon Dorian [in] HoDA. . . yet. Videbimus. It may happen in the 4th installment that's taking a good long while to be made.
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