Queen hits the damage ceiling round 2 - heals the enemy

[Bjorn Ragnarok]

I think power gains were corrected recently and there has been effort made to avoid hitting that damage ceiling, but Queenie here, possibly, breaks that barrier round 2. It's unfortunate being she is a great round 2 finisher.

Fortunately, this is the only scenario where this has happened to me, but it happened 5-6 times and I just don't use that team on that node any more.

Watch Queen #1 heal the enemy completely, and Queen #2 hit for nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu07D6Vh2zM

I'm just speculating about the damage ceiling. Could be something else. Just a guess.

[Lyeshal]

Huh.

I'll have to spend a little more time analyzing this to see what's going on - unfortunately with trying to prep for the holiday break, it's a wee bit hectic right now. Seems very edge-case and specific though, as you noted.

[[Arcangel]Celestial]

just that is happening to me in the current event and I do not attack anymore I lost several times I am surprised that this happened in the previous event this did not happen

[Heal and Harm |VK|]

Huh.

I'll have to spend a little more time analyzing this to see what's going on - unfortunately with trying to prep for the holiday break, it's a wee bit hectic right now. Seems very edge-case and specific though, as you noted.

I think, the value of damage dealt to each unit is more than 2'147'483'648, that's why they don't get it.
Tips. After that value all damage has reversed ability. Its not a bug, but overvalued for the system.
We called this situation "King Maric syndrome"

[Heal and Harm |VK|]

When your unit reaches 2'147'483'648 damage, next damage wouldn't be 2'147'483'649, but will be -1, -2, -3… and so on. It could not be fixed, because whole binar coding system need to be changed. Or maximum damage/power gaining caps could heal this problem, but few months ago we voted against it.

[Stuw2k]

I've had a couple of occasions where queenies nukes the opponents, but then abilities that return damage give me a nuke blow back, 10 digit damage each side. It counts as a defeat too

[Heal and Harm |VK|]

I know how easy counter her. Absorption of damage (defender 100%). One of the absorber should have retaliation ability. Besides on-dealt healing ability doesn't help in this case. Even DM will get some retaliated damage.

[Bjorn Ragnarok]

I think, the value of damage dealt to each unit is more than 2'147'483'648, that's why they don't get it.
Tips. After that value all damage has reversed ability. Its not a bug, but overvalued for the system.
We called this situation "King Maric syndrome"

i figure it was the old, as I know it, Spirit of Faith bug, where she gets so powerful that her healing nukes allies. I've had it with Rev Gurd too where he is too powerful and his on hit healing kills him. Also had Brogan get so strong he reset to zero and gained power all over again. There is definitely a "wall" that can be hit. :-)

I thought the way power gain works was adjusted recently, to only account for opponent remaining health plus a %, so I thought it was worth noting. I've still only noticed it in this situation, but I don't regularly play with that team.

[Lyeshal]

I thought the way power gain works was adjusted recently, to only account for opponent remaining health plus a %, so I thought it was worth noting.

Yeah, that change was made, which is why I'm so interested in why this is still a thing. We'll have to dig into that calculation and do some more checks on it to make sure nothing changed as part of other mechanics fixes, particularly how Retaliation/Explode are mingling with the damage calculation.

[pixie359]

I had the same thing a few times - but not regularly enough to stop using the team that relies on Queenies nuke. Thinking about it, I think it's happened mostly when no-one has died in R1, so power gain hasn't gone mad for R2, meaning she gets another pop in R3.

[Lyeshal]

So this looks like it's just a massive mingling of all of her abilities - bonus damage gain on top of mark, with levy added, against enemies who have had significant power gain. Having 2 or more Queens means there's the potential for 2 or more Marks to be applied, each adding 30% bonus damage.

She gets a maximum of 20% bonus damage (4 allies killed), plus 30% mark on one target (extra 30% bonus damage on that one, likely having 60% bonus damage in a 2-Queen scenario due to the Mark from the first forcing that same enemy to be targeted for Mark by the second), plus 20% Levy (as bonus damage). And all that on top of any power gains she may have had from allies.

Yeah, I can see how that could add up pretty fast to break things, but it is very specific scenarios. It's not a bug, and everything is working as intended/designed, just a matter of having the exact right (or wrong?) combination of events to make it go off the rails.

[Heal and Harm |VK|]

So this looks like it's just a massive mingling of all of her abilities - bonus damage gain on top of mark, with levy added, against enemies who have had significant power gain. Having 2 or more Queens means there's the potential for 2 or more Marks to be applied, each adding 30% bonus damage.

She gets a maximum of 20% bonus damage (4 allies killed), plus 30% mark on one target (extra 30% bonus damage on that one, likely having 60% bonus damage in a 2-Queen scenario due to the Mark from the first forcing that same enemy to be targeted for Mark by the second), plus 20% Levy (as bonus damage). And all that on top of any power gains she may have had from allies.

Yeah, I can see how that could add up pretty fast to break things, but it is very specific scenarios. It's not a bug, and everything is working as intended/designed, just a matter of having the exact right (or wrong?) combination of events to make it go off the rails.

Just got same results with Shales. Hit more than 2'147'483'648 with Caridin, when all 4 small sized Shales died: 2 ruby, emerald, diamond with 5 Legendary Crystals. A lot of power gain

[pixie359]

I've just gone back to playing with QES in the wild, with 3 ACs, and this is happening fairly regularly now. Sometimes it's leaving only the marked character standing, taking out the rest of their team and mine - particularly annoying because I can't then chop 'em up with my ACs what with being dead.

I've not noticed it yet with my Shales, but they are really hard to track properly because the Bulls Edge animation is borked (something to do with cursing or stealth I think?) so the dead can stand.

Any updates on either of these?

[Bjorn Ragnarok]

i recently saw some Shale video where it appears that the power is so high on a last standing Shale, that there is attack animation, but no damage dealt, where there should be an obvious big hit and probable victory by Bull's Edge. Instead the animation looks to cut short and then the last shale gets killed. It's been happening in Proving Grounds quite a bit so I hope this is an issue that will once again be looked at, as it is appearing more and more often now, and with larger consequence.

[Bjorn Ragnarok]

Yeah, I can see how that could add up pretty fast to break things, but it is very specific scenarios. It's not a bug, and everything is working as intended/designed, just a matter of having the exact right (or wrong?) combination of events to make it go off the rails.

As more people get the Queen, and Shale teams with Bull's Edge become more common, it appears that this is becoming more than a few isolated incidents. I hope if the problem continues with increasing frequency, that the team could please take another look.

I'll ask guild mates about sharing the vids i have seen privately.