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  • Grey Warden Oghren Harm Self Issue

    Lyeshal How is Grey Warden Oghren's "harm self" damage supposed to be calculated? I've been using him a fair bit since his change, but haven't seen any consistency. Most times when he attacks a second time, he doesn't seem to take any damage, however, about once in every 10-15 fights after attacking he ends up killing himself. Usually when this happens, he's at full health and didn't even hit for as much damage as his max HP. From what I've seen, it's almost as if he saves up the damage he does to himself until he kills himself randomly.

    I know this could have been posted to the bug reports section but thought this thread was just as appropriate.

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    GWO has a 25% chance to attack a second time at 300% power, and harm himself. His self damage is equivalent to his current power - so the more he power gains, the more damage he will do to himself if that condition triggers. He will ONLY harm himself if he pulls off the second attack.

    Our testing did initially show this to be working correctly, and it's not a new mechanic, but we can take another look to see if we can reproduce it.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Lyeshal View Post
      GWO has a 25% chance to attack a second time at 300% power, and harm himself. His self damage is equivalent to his current power - so the more he power gains, the more damage he will do to himself if that condition triggers. He will ONLY harm himself if he pulls off the second attack.

      Our testing did initially show this to be working correctly, and it's not a new mechanic, but we can take another look to see if we can reproduce it.
      Is the self damage mitigated by DR and absolute damage reduction?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Coldbayne View Post

        Is the self damage mitigated by DR and absolute damage reduction?
        Yep.

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        • #5
          Sometimes he hit twice and doesn't trigger self hit, sometimes it triggers on a single hit the self hit, like the two 25% are being calculated separately.
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          • #6
            Is Oghrens self hit coming in at 300% power? It sure seems that way with how often he kills himself. I really like the revamp and the back hit ability, but he is currently his own worst enemy.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bjorn Ragnarok View Post
              Is Oghrens self hit coming in at 300% power? It sure seems that way with how often he kills himself. I really like the revamp and the back hit ability, but he is currently his own worst enemy.
              Nope, it's just his current power. He's also a pretty large power gainer, and that will work against him.

              Oghren is a berserker - which means he has the ability to deal some really massive damage, but it's going to cost him. He does have a nice 30% damage resistance for himself, which assists to mitigate the damage he'll take when he attacks himself, but it's kind of a kamikaze effect by the time everything adds together. Huge power gains, can deal a huge amount of damage even without that 2nd attack... but the extra attack later in the battle is going to come at a cost.
              Last edited by Lyeshal; 07-06-2018, 09:43 AM.

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              • #8
                Initial testing makes him one of the best power gainer in the game, ofc he must resist himself, give him dr gear, healing, possibly curse gear also. He's a berserker, so over exertion can cause him to faint

                I give him 9.5/10 rating,, excellent 2*
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lyeshal View Post
                  He's also a pretty large power gainer, and that will work against him.
                  Indeed....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Lyeshal View Post
                    Nope, it's just his current power. He's also a pretty large power gainer, and that will work against him.

                    Oghren is a berserker - which means he has the ability to deal some really massive damage, but it's going to cost him. He does have a nice 30% damage resistance for himself, which assists to mitigate the damage he'll take when he attacks himself, but it's kind of a kamikaze effect by the time everything adds together. Huge power gains, can deal a huge amount of damage even without that 2nd attack... but the extra attack later in the battle is going to come at a cost.
                    looks like 2x health for Ogrhen then. I already gave him a Griffon Plate, and paired him with two KA also both with Griffon Plates. That DR won't save him from himself, but I still like the back hit, especially with healing gear and remarkable emerald, Silverite, etc. Always nice to trigger your own on hit effects.
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                    • #11
                      I tested him and I come to conclude that there is nothing you can do to save him from destroying himself after gaining power few times which is hilarious to watch.
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                      • #12
                        I was hitting him with 4 VV's and GD.
                        I was horrified as he survived all my attacks and was the last man standing.
                        I knew i couldn't do anything and just lost all hope that I was going to lose the fight
                        then in the 3rd round he goes and KO's himself and i'm chuckling to myself.

                        Great fun mechanic I must say!
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                        • #13
                          Yup planning to gear Oghren with some nice resist equips, especially that increase resist per hit leg gear! As a power gainer he's pretty good in lasting battles, and with that gear hopefully he stacks enough DR to combat his berserker tendencies. I love the new mechanic btw! It's pretty spot in and awesome for Oghren.

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                          • #14
                            Why oh why did you update Oghren with a suicide mode?
                            What on earth made devs think this was even remotely a good idea?
                            It certainly doesn’t balance the game because for 1 thing he’s a slow hero and most battle don’t make it past the 1st round.

                            In comparison to King Alistair who was revamped and made stronger and more resilient you’ve basically taken and old hero and made him kill himself.
                            But perhaps there’s a bug here as he’s self harming after his first strike and kills himself if that first strike was a powerful double hit when under the influence of a power rune or if he was already weakened by, you know, being last to attack..

                            Why I think there’s a potential bug is because of his updated notes:
                            Attacks one enemy.
                            25% chance to attack at 300% power, but also harms self.
                            30% chance for 50% heal.

                            Now the sentence breakdown implies that self harm occurs if Oghren gets the 300% second hit, however I’ve seen him kill himself when at full strength of around 417000 points without making the second strike, and sometimes not quite killing himself and then healing himself and all without making the second strike.

                            So my first notion is the self inflicted harm is an unecessary feature which should be removed as it does nothing to encourage people to use this hero in their squad. Rather than creating a strong hero to enhance a squad he’s more of a liability, and his self harming suicidal tendencies are aimed at losing rather than winning battles.

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                            • #15
                              9.5 rating, excellent toon...
                              Kamikaze liability, nothing can protect him from hilmself...
                              Weird and wonderful mechanic, providing hours of fun and laughter...

                              Grey Warden Oghren rocks!
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