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    Hi Guys. I like many others here came into HoDA a long, long time ago, and departed during the 4x Witherfang days. (Greatest, best memory of HoDA was the Uldred/Leopold rain :P)

    I'd recently gotten back into HoDA, and things feel much more dynamic. So many new heroes! Lots of nexus events to run! PVP does seem a little easier to ladder and rank nowadays.

    I've put down a small amount to help get back into the swing of things, but have a few questions I was hoping to get advice on - any tips are greatly appreciated!

    1. Nexus Drop rates - Ludicrous difficulty is.. ludicrous. I dont have any team that's up to snuff on tackling this difficulty at the moment, so I'm running Insane and Very Hard for now. Is there a very big difference between Insane and Very Hard drop rates? I seem to be averaging the same amount of legendary drops between the two, and at the moment, at level 181 (192 stam), I can comfortably run 5 Very Hard (with the provision of an extra 8 stam) or 3 Insane runs before needing to refill. What's the best way forward?

    2. Pacing of character development - Lurking through the forums gives me the impression that mythic forting is easy peasy, but my reality is a little more grounded. How long does it usually take to fully fort a character, being F2P? Does that even happen for F2P? do people usually settle for T4 legs, or, god forbid, T1 legs for LCs (given that they are so hard to find).

    ​3. No-Dupe rule: Is it worth keeping a copy of a hero in my inventory for the no-dupe rule on BP/GCP/SP? I.e. keeping briala on the roster instead of forting so i don't risk unpacking her again in the future..

    4. Team comp - Since coming back to the game, I've had a little bit of luck in getting a fair share of 2 and 3 stars, but i'm not too sure what's good and what isn't- the amount of heroes available now is just staggering. I'm looking at forting a meta team for the long term now, but not sure whats a safe keep and whats good for fort food.
    Here's what I think works below - is this correct? Would be awesome if someone could validate!

    ***Wisps (long term fort)***
    3x Mythic Giant Wisp
    3x Mythic White
    2x Mythic Blue
    2x Mythic Black
    3x Mythic Red
    3x Legendary Red/Back
    1x Legendary Black

    ***LCs (all keeps)***
    ==3 stars==
    Dragon Morrigan
    The Mother

    ==2 stars==
    Broodmother - Is The Mother better than Broodmother overall?
    Paragon Caridin

    ==1 stars==
    Snug the bronto
    4x The Grand Oak
    Harvester Orsino
    QotBM
    POC
    High Dragon
    Phoenix
    2x Leopold
    Hybris

    ***Heroes I intend to keep and fort long term***
    ==3 stars==
    RJS
    GEV

    ==2 stars==
    3x Evangeline (fort 1, what to do with the other 2?)
    Isseya (got her from GCP)
    2x Archon Radonis
    Forge Master
    Josephine

    ==1 stars==
    Grey Warden Sigrun
    2x Danarius
    Lord Pyral Harrowmont
    Warden Commander Duncan
    2x Uldred
    4x Byron
    2x Tallis
    2x The First (worth keeping 2 around? doesn't seem meta anymore)
    Apostate Jowan
    2x Ancient Darkspawn
    RLM
    King Alistair
    Flemeth
    GWO
    2x Morrigan
    2x Vengeance Anders
    The Architect
    VT (is he good now?)
    The Baroness
    Eirik
    Gibbering Horror
    Lord Woolsley
    Lurker
    Sophia Dryden

    ***Heroes I intend to Fort fodder/ won't bother developing***
    ==1 stars==
    4x Elite Harlequinn (is she still effective?)
    Steel Golem
    Nathaniel Howe (the original meta!)
    2x Ruby Shale
    Duke Prosper
    Keeper Marethari (she's R/B now? used to be blue)
    Barkspawn
    Sister Nightingale (R/W? used to be white..)
    2x Merill (no longer a powerhouse)
    Schmooples (my very first leg)
    Wynne
    Caladrius
    Sir Pounce a lot
    Sandal (Fort?)
    Swiftrunner
    Lucius Corin
    Red lyrium nug
    Nug king
    6x Malvernis
    Ser Wesley Vallen
    Venatori Zealot
    Piotin Aeducan
    Plaidweave Vivienne
    Hakkonite Archer
    3x Tamar
    Briala
    Kolgrim
    Prince Bhelen Aeducan
    King Endrin Aeducan
    Guard Captain Aveline
    Grand Enchanter Fiona

  • #2
    Hi there! Welcome back! A little advice for you;

    1. In my experience, 3 runs at insane over 5 on VH will get you more. Once you can run lud (all events are not the same, so be sure to try lud each week), you'll prob stick with that. Best of all right now, consider grinding the origins gauntlet. There's some awesome drops there both heroes and gear. I have been grinding this myself, and if you stopped in the WF days, you should remember the nodes you'll be facing

    2. Myth forting absolutely does happen for F2P, I've got about 200 folks in the guild who can attest to this! (Side note, for more help on all this in real time, consider joining a guild, large communities like mine at Top F2P always have players ready to help out!). Just be selective what you myth fort as its costly to be wrong. Try lesser forts first, be sure your hero is worth it, and plug them in!

    3. Nondupe pack rules are based on your gallery, not your inventory. If you got it once, you're good, even if you consume.

    4. As far as it goes, there's not really a long term meta team. It changes from time to time. Grinding that gauntlet I mentioned can get you kitties, envy demon, and possessed ogre commander, quite the excellent team. Of what you have, dragon Morrigan, RJS, GEV, POC, Eva, Gibbering horror are your best and should be build priorities. You need some pieces yet to make their best teams, but those will come pretty quickly.

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    • #3
      On your list of fort fodder I would consider keeping Nathaniel Howe, Keeper Marethari, Merrill, and your Hakkonite Archer. NH may not be meta anymore, but he's still useable in a Warden squad until you get the best wardens. Marethari just received an update and is pretty solid now, and I get the feeling Merrill may be receiving a 2nd update sometime in the near future. Hakkonite Archer is probably the best Avvar in the game currenlty and an absolute beast during boosted PVP events.

      If inventory space is a problem, then there's no real reason to keep most of the dupes you listed in your 1* list. Maybe 2xAD for blighted events.
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      • #4
        Odesius is on point there, I would like to add another perspective. In the future assassination bonus is getting nerfed. At the present time people use Meredith's key and assassins to massively power the rest of the squad. As a long term build I would avoid this route.

        In countless threads it has been confirmed that kitty will not be nerfed, so grinding the Origins gauntlet is a viable option if RNG is shining upon you (perhaps need confirmation that ED and Kitty drop on easier nodes?).

        Other common tactics are Ferelden based damage resistance teams. (Damage resistance is now multiplicative see other threads). Power draining teams and nukers.

        Gear now plays a big part in battles. You might look at a team in PvP and think they are a rollover only to get absolutely tanked by them so study what gear goes best with what toons.

        I forted a lot of toons here and there and everywhere. It made good for events and the likes, but not for PG. I think it makes sense to have a priority PG build. Presently a top demon squad beats most event boosted sides and rules in PG too.

        The PvE map thing was updated too since you last played so there should be some easy gems there too for you. There is also a new ability to purchase the latest releases and cp/gcp drop rates have been improved with built in counters? Perhaps you are close to a guarantee?

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        • #5
          Hi, Welcome back!

          I agree with Odesius, in my experience I am getting better drops playing more difficult levels too, if you can pass ludicrous, I recommend it, if not, try insane or use runes, they will help you and they are very useful if you do several refills.
          I also agree, it is woth playing gaunlet, you should be patient if you want to get the best gaunlet heroes, they are difficult to get and drops are low if you don't do several refills, but you get tomes and good gear and they are very useful.

          I am F2P too and I can fort my best heroes with mythics, but you can't fort all your heroes with mythics and you should choose what is your best squad and what heroes are you going to fort with mythics because mythic drops are low, sometimes I haven't enough mythics and I only fort with mythics rogue power and mages/warrior health and the other slots with T4 legs, I do that if I have bad luck getting mythics and I need to use them.
          You can also ascend legendary wisps to mythics using tomes of ascension if you have a lot of tomes and leg wisps, but no mythics.

          I think it is worth keeping dupes if you have enough space, above all rogue squads, you always need dupes if you want a powerful rogue squad, usually one rogue bonus isn't enough because bonuses stack and you need several of them as kittys, Bartrands, Viscount Varrics, etc...
          And it is interesting keeping dupes of the best heroes too, above all if they have high damage resistance or they are defenders.
          I recommend you if you have enough space save your heroes and not consume them, if you need space I will use your dupes as a fort, in that way, you can get back them if they are updated and you need them.
          CG is always revamping older heroes and some useless heroes are Marethari, The Elder One or Belinda Darrow, are pretty good now, so I will not rid of your dupes.

          I agree with Odesius in point 4 answers.
          You need to get some more heroes to have a powerful squad.
          I would try to do some gaunlet runs, open the store and get so many BP as you can to improve your squad.
          You can also benefit from CP/GCP discount this week to get some heroes for a cheaper price.
          Your best heroe is RJS, I would use her with Isseya and 2 Evangeline, it seems you best squad at the moment.
          It is also quite useful Briala and gibbering, you don't have a complete squad yet to use gibbering, but you can try Briala combinations too with RJS and your Evas.

          Good luck!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Luther View Post
            Odesius is on point there, I would like to add another perspective. In the future assassination bonus is getting nerfed. At the present time people use Meredith's key and assassins to massively power the rest of the squad. As a long term build I would avoid this route.

            In countless threads it has been confirmed that kitty will not be nerfed, so grinding the Origins gauntlet is a viable option if RNG is shining upon you (perhaps need confirmation that ED and Kitty drop on easier nodes?).

            Other common tactics are Ferelden based damage resistance teams. (Damage resistance is now multiplicative see other threads). Power draining teams and nukers.

            Gear now plays a big part in battles. You might look at a team in PvP and think they are a rollover only to get absolutely tanked by them so study what gear goes best with what toons.

            I forted a lot of toons here and there and everywhere. It made good for events and the likes, but not for PG. I think it makes sense to have a priority PG build. Presently a top demon squad beats most event boosted sides and rules in PG too.

            The PvE map thing was updated too since you last played so there should be some easy gems there too for you. There is also a new ability to purchase the latest releases and cp/gcp drop rates have been improved with built in counters? Perhaps you are close to a guarantee?
            Well, they have said that Kitty won't be getting a direct nerf, but once they implement the correction to bonus damage she will be nerfed indirectly along with all of the other toons with stacking bonus damage. It's no clear how much of an impact this will have on her meta status until it's implemented though.

            I definitely agree with your broader point about demon squads though. Now that almost all of the best demons are available via drops from the Origins nexus a demon squad should be a target for anybody starting out or re-visiting the game after being gone for a while.
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            • #7
              Wow thanks guys for all the awesome responses! I just got back from work- so much new info!

              @Odesius: Haha I definitely had a few chuckles on the Origins Gauntlet! I'm even stuck on the same node (Leopold and his dragons.. darnit). Getting a Merrill drop seems a bit easier now compared to way back when Looks like i'll be spending some refills here heheh. I guess myth forting will come with time; though it does seem daunting .. im thinking of doing 5 myth slots per major character to start, in their field of specialty (i.e. power for dps, health for tanks). Just noticed that unforting is supported too - is it worth unforting a T4 to make it mythic and re-fort?

              Thanks for the confirmation on 3 and 4! I'm levelling them up as we speak. RJS just seems NUTS. I mean, attack 5 times in a row.. what.
              I'm relatively casual in game, nowhere near a Top F2P.. but i certainly won't mind joining a guild.

              @Kidnova: I actually only just realized that KM got updated today, and she seems way better now. I'll take your advice on these characters .. hopefully Merill will get a revamp soon. She has a great sprite. For inventory space - how many are we allowed to keep now? The dupes in my list would probably go towards T4 leg fort ultimately.

              @Luther: thanks a bunch for the tips! What's assassination do? I'm not too familiar with this term, seems like the chance for an immediate kill? Is it possible for a character to survive it? I dont have a top demon squad, and I've read that Kitty only drops from the final node of the Origins gauntlet - so still some distance away for me (I am stuck at the node after Leopold).

              @Grey_Warden: Will give ludicrous a try for the next nexus event.. this one completely toasted my squads. eugh. Thanks for the advice on keeping the rogues and the squads! Is Briala worth T4-ing? I only have her at level 1 at the moment, she didnt seem too great.. but then again i guess i dont have many options.

              Can't thank you enough for all your advice

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              • #8
                800 is the cap for heroes. It's something I didn't think would ever be an issue for me, but with the revamped nexus drop rates and other events I quickly ended up with hundreds of legendaries and generally only have 100-150 spots open for consume food.

                Kitty and Envy Demon both drop from the last node of the Gauntlet, so you will need to build up a strong enough team to farm that node if you want the best demons. You already have Gib Horror and Possessed Ogre Commander (he's a 2*, by the way) so that's a good start. Imshael is a possible drop from node 10 who is also a very good demon. Other premier targets from the Origins gauntlet include Spirit Champ (node 7) and GEV (node 12). Once you can get past node 13 then you can go after Fen'Harel (node 14) as well as Kiitty and Envy on the final node.

                As you noted Assassination is basically a chance to automatically kill a target. The way it's implemented though is that it just causes that hero do do massive damage (10s and 100s of millions) in damage. Meredith's key powers up your team based on the amount of damage your heroes do to the other team, so when you assassinate it causes a massive power increase to your entire team. This will be changed at some point in the future though.

                In regards to Ludicrous runs, the biggest benefit to those over Insane is the big increase in gold and XP. While the drop rates are technically higher on Ludicrous, I don't find there to be a really big difference and you can get all of the good drops on Insane as well, so no rush if you simply can't manage lud runs.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Binomial View Post
                  Wow thanks guys for all the awesome responses! I just got back from work- so much new info!

                  @Odesius: Haha I definitely had a few chuckles on the Origins Gauntlet! I'm even stuck on the same node (Leopold and his dragons.. darnit). Getting a Merrill drop seems a bit easier now compared to way back when Looks like i'll be spending some refills here heheh. I guess myth forting will come with time; though it does seem daunting .. im thinking of doing 5 myth slots per major character to start, in their field of specialty (i.e. power for dps, health for tanks). Just noticed that unforting is supported too - is it worth unforting a T4 to make it mythic and re-fort?

                  Thanks for the confirmation on 3 and 4! I'm levelling them up as we speak. RJS just seems NUTS. I mean, attack 5 times in a row.. what.
                  I'm relatively casual in game, nowhere near a Top F2P.. but i certainly won't mind joining a guild.

                  @Kidnova: I actually only just realized that KM got updated today, and she seems way better now. I'll take your advice on these characters .. hopefully Merill will get a revamp soon. She has a great sprite. For inventory space - how many are we allowed to keep now? The dupes in my list would probably go towards T4 leg fort ultimately.

                  @Luther: thanks a bunch for the tips! What's assassination do? I'm not too familiar with this term, seems like the chance for an immediate kill? Is it possible for a character to survive it? I dont have a top demon squad, and I've read that Kitty only drops from the final node of the Origins gauntlet - so still some distance away for me (I am stuck at the node after Leopold).

                  @Grey_Warden: Will give ludicrous a try for the next nexus event.. this one completely toasted my squads. eugh. Thanks for the advice on keeping the rogues and the squads! Is Briala worth T4-ing? I only have her at level 1 at the moment, she didnt seem too great.. but then again i guess i dont have many options.

                  Can't thank you enough for all your advice
                  Briala is one of the best rogues in your current roster and she works pretty good in an orlesian squad and you can also combine her with your Evangelines. Moreover, her power drain ability is also very useful. She was revamped and she is a good heroe.
                  You can also use her in a quick squad, she is useful because she attacks all.
                  Your VT could be useful too for your Inquisition squad with RJS and you even could add Briala with them.
                  You are right there are better rogues, but they aren't bad heroes to be a 1*.
                  Other of your quick heroes that I find very useful is hakkonite archer, she is quite good and she also attacks all.
                  I would consider them as your main rogue squad.
                  I used a lot hakkonite archer before I got VV and she is really worth it.
                  I have several T4 Brialas and hakkonite archers in my roster and they are dangerous.

                  It depends on the nexus, there are more difficult ones and it is hard to pass ludicrous even if you have a meta squad, but if you can, I would recommend some ludicrous runs, if you try it and can't complete it, play a lower level then.
                  Last edited by Grey Warden; 01-17-2018, 01:39 PM.

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                  • #10
                    So quick heads up, this gauntlet can be made easier by using runes. Most enemies are slow or normal round, if you use a fast squad you can use double mythic power runes. If you lose it is just 5 more energy to retry. Then once you have tiered up and geared up substitute a new toon and beef them up also.

                    Great advice all around guys and girls!

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                    • #11
                      Um.. let's see... since everyone else answered the major stuff...
                      Okay.. so HODACODEX.com.. is a great site... i love it.. always seem to be promoting it.. if you haven't already.. check it out. Great way to get a current snap shot of all the heroes currently. You can sort by date.. to see which heroes are older now and which are newer.

                      Answering your lists' specifics:



                      Originally posted by Binomial View Post

                      ....

                      ==2 stars==
                      Broodmother - Is The Mother better than Broodmother overall?

                      ....

                      ***Heroes I intend to keep and fort long term***
                      ==3 stars==
                      RJS
                      GEV

                      ==2 stars==
                      3x Evangeline (fort 1, what to do with the other 2?) It's possible there are uses with 2 EVA.. not sure about more.. 2 Eva in a templar or spirit event maybe...
                      Isseya (got her from GCP) Congrats~!
                      2x Archon Radonis I made 2 full mythic forted of this guy.. but I wouldn't do it if I were you... there are better Tevinter heroes to build.. but it's up to you. I hardly use 1 let alone 2.
                      Forge Master
                      Josephine

                      ==1 stars==
                      ...
                      2x The First (worth keeping 2 around? doesn't seem meta anymore) Nah.. better choices for blighted such as Ancient Darkspawn
                      Apostate Jowan
                      2x Ancient Darkspawn
                      RLM
                      King Alistair
                      Flemeth
                      GWO
                      2x Morrigan
                      2x Vengeance Anders
                      The Architect In a non dupe Blight setup Archie is pretty good based on my tests.
                      VT (is he good now?) He has improved. You can actually make him stealth and he is under rated now but that is b/c there are better choices. But a stealth VT with very high power forts is quite good.
                      The Baroness
                      Eirik
                      Gibbering Horror
                      Lord Woolsley
                      Lurker
                      Sophia Dryden

                      ***Heroes I intend to Fort fodder/ won't bother developing***
                      ==1 stars==
                      4x Elite Harlequinn (is she still effective?) Not really.. maybe only in a boosted event. She is fort food for me however. There are better rogues to invest in imo.
                      Steel Golem
                      Nathaniel Howe (the original meta!)
                      2x Ruby Shale
                      Duke Prosper
                      Keeper Marethari (she's R/B now? used to be blue) She just got revamped.
                      Barkspawn
                      Sister Nightingale (R/W? used to be white..) Also revamped i think maybe last year..
                      2x Merill (no longer a powerhouse) Merril goes well with the new Wild Sylvan.
                      Schmooples (my very first leg) I still like Schmooples in creature events.
                      ...
                      Additional: Not sure what the WF days were like.. it was before my time.. But i do recall battling some teams that ran it.. and it was tough for me back then when i was a weaker newer player.. but you will notice now that the pace of new hero releases is better. This is in part due to an inventory cap which currently is at 800. The previous 2 years was a bit more break neck speed on hero releases. It's something to note since you can now bulk consume and farming heroes is much easier and I am sure in a month or two from now you will have improved much more. So build what you got until you get better heroes and then welcome the chaos when you have to sort and prioritze which ones you will focus on. Good luck~!
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Binomial View Post
                        What's assassination do? I'm not too familiar with this term, seems like the chance for an immediate kill? Is it possible for a character to survive it?
                        Currently, under the right circumstances, yes, a target can survive Assassination. With the upcoming changes we will be implementing, this will no longer be a possibility, making Assassination stronger than it currently is.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lyeshal View Post

                          Currently, under the right circumstances, yes, a target can survive Assassination. With the upcoming changes we will be implementing, this will no longer be a possibility, making Assassination stronger than it currently is.
                          But power drain will be able to prevent Assassination?



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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Zosma View Post
                            But power drain will be able to prevent Assassination?
                            Currently yes, but after the fix, we'll have to see.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bjorn Ragnarok View Post

                              Currently yes, but after the fix, we'll have to see.
                              I know. I asked about 'after the fix'.



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                              Because political beliefs, like religion, are a personal and sensitive topic, avoid posting about politics on the forums.


                              Customer Support Inquiries
                              All inquiries regarding Customer Support should be routed through the online web portal for support. The Community Manager and Moderators are unable to assist with inquiries regarding support tickets. Posting your ticket number and requesting assistance on the forums will result in the post being deleted. Sending a Private Message to the Community Manager or Moderators about CSR Inquiries is not to be tolerated, and will be ignored.

                              Additionally, all interactions with Customer Support are considered confidential, and all issues are handled on a case-by-case basis. As such, posts containing transcripts or results of your interactions with Customer Support will be edited or deleted.


                              Violation of these terms is grounds for removal from EA Capital Games games and a report to Facebook.


                              What should I do if I see objectionable material on the forums?
                              It is important that members recognize the real-time nature of this forum: the moderators cannot always monitor the contents of posted messages, and as such depend upon you to inform them when participants or their messages are violating our policy as stated here. You must also recognize that they cannot respond immediately to such notices and that some time may pass before any warranted action is taken.

                              To contact a moderator, please use the Flag Post function on the post represented by a flag:


                              What happens if I break the rules?
                              At best, your post will be edited by one of the moderators and you will be issued a warning. If the offense is more serious your post will be deleted. Posting "why was my post edited/deleted?" etc. will only make matters worse, so please don't. If a moderator has not sent you a message stating why, please send the Sr Moderator a message asking for a reason.

                              Should you have already been issued warnings and continue to break the rules, you will be issued an infraction - your posting privileges will be disabled for three days, but you will still be able to view the forums as a guest.

                              For persistent and deliberate rule-breakers your account will be "Banned". That means you are no longer welcome on these forums and/or games and your account will no longer function in them. If you re-register, your new account will be banned as well.

                              Posting Suggestions
                              In the attempt to create a compromise where everyone is happy, the following suggestions are also recommended:

                              1. Be civil and courteous. This forum is visited by people from all over the world, of different ages, genders, religions, and backgrounds, and are each entitled to their own opinion.
                              Also, see Flaming, Right to Privacy, and Hatred.

                              2. Make sure that your message topics fit the topic description of the forum in which you are posting. This is for your own benefit - for example, a question regarding a bug or problem should be posted in the Feedback section.

                              3. Use the search function before posting, particularly if the question is problem oriented. Most technical questions have been answered before, and solutions are freely available.

                              4. Make sure that you have followed #3 before posting

                              5. Read the sticky threads at the top of each forum - they are there for a reason, and generally contain information relevant to the forum.

                              6. Don't quote the entire message that you're responding to, only the pertinent passage. This makes it easier to read for other users.

                              7. If you find it easier to express yourself en français, auf Deutsch, en español, in Nederlands, in Italiano, or any other language, post in the International Discussion forum. Hopefully someone who speaks the same language as you will be able to assist you. All posts in other sections (non-International) of the forums must be in English, so please make use of Google Translate if you need assistance with translation. Posting in English will allow the widest range of people to assist you.

                              In addition to the Forum Rules, you are bound to the general EA Terms of Service both on these forums and in the game. Links to the TOS are as follows:

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