ANNOUNCEMENT: Passive Drain and Drain Resistance

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  • ANNOUNCEMENT: Passive Drain and Drain Resistance

    Next week we'll be implementing the next balancing mechanic fix. Drain Resistance will now be applicable to Passive Drain.

    "Passive Drain" refers to the kind of drain provided as an on-hit effect (when hit, drains enemies by X%). This was first introduced with ZITHER!, and then later more famously with Magister Dorian. After Magister Dorian's release, players noted that Drain Resistance did not appear to apply to this kind of power drain, and at the time, we had stated it was unintended, but that we wouldn't fix it at the time and would be monitoring it, and would attempt to limit the usage of this kind of mechanic given its only counter was to hit things with stealth.

    Sound familar?

    Recently we have begun to release more gear that provides a passive drain, and we're looking ahead and seeing how this could become a hindrance going forward, in that we will continue to need to be very limited in how we can provide this mechanic.

    Additionally, players have continued to question the inability of Drain Resistance to apply to Passive Drain, with a large portion of the community asking for this to be corrected.

    As such, we are altering the Drain Resistance mechanic so that it does actually apply to Passive Drain as well.

    Keep in mind that Drain Resistance is unlike other resistances in that it does not directly negate a power drain, but reduces the amount of drain that goes through. So a hero who drains 10% of enemy power would cause an enemy with 10,000 power to be drained by 1,000 power. If that enemy has +20% drain resistance, then the amount of power drained would only be 800 instead.

    This does also mean that if your squad has enough negative power drain resistance applying to your enemies, you will now be able to actually increase the amount of power being drained by passive drain. We allow for drain resistance to go to -100% to allow for doubling of the power being drained. So for example, if an enemy with 10,000 power is drained through Passive Drain for 10% (such as with Magister Dorian), and you have also applied the full -100% drain resistance to the enemy, then instead of 1,000 power being drained, the amount of power drained would be doubled to 2,000 power.

    Note that there is no change to the way Drain Resistance is being calculated - it will continue to function exactly the same way as it does today, except that now Passive Drain will also be affected by it.

  • #2
    Good to know that. The fix makes more sense. The heroes with drain immunity are more useful now.


    • #3
      Originally posted by Elistear View Post
      Good to know that. The fix makes more sense. The heroes with drain immunity are more useful now.
      But passive drainers are now...
      Shouldn't have dropped gems on the ND flashpack and wasted my mythic forts on him
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      • #4
        Interesting all the way!

        A way to enhance passive drain by using gear (Emeralds, negative drain sura) and a way to counter it with resistances, sounds the right way to fix this mechanic.

        You may ultra drain the unwary by using negative drain gear, but you can also prepare and have some protection against it, very balanced and fair for strategy purposes.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by iluvvanessa View Post

          But passive drainers are now...
          Shouldn't have dropped gems on the ND flashpack and wasted my mythic forts on him

          You can actually IMPROVE on the passive drain now through using heroes and gear that apply a negative drain resistance to enemies. Don't overlook that.


          • #6
            Originally posted by iluvvanessa View Post

            But passive drainers are now...
            Shouldn't have dropped gems on the ND flashpack and wasted my mythic forts on him
            Add negative drain gear to enhance the drain effect, that will maintain the passive drain as a valid mechanic
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            • #7
              Originally posted by iluvvanessa View Post

              But passive drainers are now...
              Shouldn't have dropped gems on the ND flashpack and wasted my mythic forts on him

              Yep I meant then (after the update)

              I understand your feeling. My MD and ND are all mythic forted. But this is how this game envolves. I can't even remember when was the last time I used my mythic forted GEV. Anyway, at least we can choose to unfort them.


              • #8
                Originally posted by iluvvanessa View Post

                But passive drainers are now...
                Shouldn't have dropped gems on the ND flashpack and wasted my mythic forts on him

                Even with his drain becoming slightly less effective, he is still a powerhouse and has saved my behind many times. I don't regret a single fort that I have on him.
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                • #9
                  Very good news, now Xenon will be most wished toon in Brothers team. Such cards as 2Star ViV will be also interesting.
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                  • #10

                    Example 1

                    Team 1

                    Necro Dorian, Magister dorian, Sof, Evangeline, Hivernal
                    Toons have equipped the emerald (2% extra drain) plus -32% passive drain on equipment

                    A normal aoe against them should drain 10% Magister Dorian plus 15% on Necrodorian (3% per teammate), plus 10% extra
                    from emeralds (2% per toon), and we know theres a -32% negative drain resistance by gear.
                    Passive drain total per aoe hit : 35% passive drain


                    Ameridan, The last inquisitor, Evangeline, Hivernal

                    Lets focus on Inquisitor Ameridan (70%) drain resistance from Evangeline and TLI

                    How much will Ameridan get passive drained ( and his teammates)?

                    Ameridan attacks aoe winning the initiative, resistances calculation ( 70-32%)=38% ( 38 % is his protection vs passive drain)

                    we are supposing Ameridan's hit worth 20k power, then we susbstract

                    20,000x (35% passive drain- 35% passive drain x 0.38 resistance)

                    20,000 x( 35%-13%) ( the resistance Ameridan has blocks 13% passive drain)

                    20,000 (22% remaining passive drain)

                    4400 or 22% = Ameridan is the power will drain himself and his teammates 4400 power based on his 20k damage.

                    All in all resitances can offset passive drain, but also gear like emeralds and negative drain resistance
                    will still make the mechanic very powerful, but counterable to some point.

                    Strategy wins

                    Edit ( numbers are a bit raw and for explaining purposes)
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                    • #11
                      Great news lyeshal, this is a virtuous step, thank you.


                      • #12
                        So now Genevieve will grant immunity against passive drain correct?


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by winchell View Post
                          So now Genevieve will grant immunity against passive drain correct?
                          That's what I'm getting from it. Immunity is immunity from any draining.


                          • #14
                            from a no nerf policy, CG has gone to a nerf everything that moves policy.
                            that said, i doubt there are any passive drain teams left in the PG top 100 so the urgency of this fix seems suspect. meanwhile, it's even more difficult to build a team that counters sera than it is to build a sera team, especially with her dropping from the current nexus.


                            • #15
                              What about those heroes with immunities which can't be decreased by negative resistance auras, like Genevieve, Josephine and Uldred power drain resistance. Are they being looked at?

                              I remember this being an issue way back, when negative resistance auras were introduced, could you tell me what's the current status of such heroes?
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